Sociology is certainly not any sight better as an option for solving the world's problems than science (and no I don't really consider sociology to be a science like so, and ironically perhaps I graduated as a 'Social Sciences' major). Or as Austin L Hughes once put it:
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Sociology is certainly not any sight better as an option for solving the world's problems than science (and no I don't really consider sociology to be a science like so, and ironically perhaps I graduated as a 'Social Sciences' major). Or as Austin L Hughes once put it:
It was what ? One paragraph in Ron Lindsay's speech that brought down the whole conference in the eyes of those who we'd naturally expect to support the conference. I see Aplus's thread on the good things that came out of that conference quietly slipped beneath the waves.
So PZ is going to step out behind the science building and commit sociology ? More and more PZ is sounding like someone whose just discovered a new religion and has jumped in head first, determined to be the best convert ever. That had to be a "political" move to leave all that sleepingwytch stuff up there, maybe not wanting to disappoint the TG community. I mean...that's the sort of stuff that gets you put on a watch list.
As an aside...anyone else notice the gender imbalance on their household chores thread ?
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If it is, than I am abelist. Of course, that site has alerted me to the fact that I'm also a misogynist which was a profound surprise.
I tried to read the household chores thread that Stout linked to, but their constant use of the "spoon" euphemism drove me away screaming. I believe I mentioned in an earlier post that it surprised me that those folks can manage to leave the house without curling up in a ball, weeping. After a few posts in the "household chores" thread, I'm wondering how they stay home, as well. One poster mentioned problems with cleaning rooms...because rooms are big, and they have a problem with big things.
It's like a Monty Python skit.
I tried to read the household chores thread that Stout linked to, but their constant use of the "spoon" euphemism drove me away screaming. I believe I mentioned in an earlier post that it surprised me that those folks can manage to leave the house without curling up in a ball, weeping. After a few posts in the "household chores" thread, I'm wondering how they stay home, as well. One poster mentioned problems with cleaning rooms...because rooms are big, and they have a problem with big things.
It's like a Monty Python skit.
That's quite the thread isn't it and at only 13 posts I'm still coming away with the impression that A+ men don't do housework.
The obvious solution to all their cleaning products problems is to wear an organic vapours mask. Forget dust masks. I just bleached all the mold off of my bathroom walls wearing one of those and I was unaware of what a toxic wasteland I'd turned the place into until I took off the mask.
ummm yea..big rooms. Rich people have big rooms...and machines to wash their dishes for them. Chalk it up to first word problems.
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As an aside...anyone else notice the gender imbalance on their household chores thread ?
Good point. I would characterize that as a good demonstration of the effects of an unconscious gender bias. I, for example, am less likely to read/post in that thread because I associate household chores with women even if I never consciously had that thought.
An interesting study on the subject: "Perceived Equity in the Gendered Division of Household Labor"
Pointing that out that they are mostly "first world problems" is how I was banned early on.
For a humorous diversion, see the reddit First World Problems forum
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Massive apologies to everyone, I meant to put "evolutionary psychology". Not evolutionary biology. Of course PZ doesn't think that evolutionary biology isn't science.
So to reiterate -- sociology now being supported by the man who hates evolutionary psychology because it isn't science.
It's quite a good example of somebody picking and choosing their science based on their prior beliefs. Ev-psych is used to support or explain male dominance and is generally put forward by right-wingers, sociology supports feminism and is generally the preserve of the political left.
Neither of which are empirical science, yet one of them receives the support of the man who divorced scepticism.
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Oh, wow. I've actually run into people like this in Real Life (i.e. not on the internet). It's very draining, because they complain. about. everything.
And don't ask them to help with anything, because they'll passive-aggressively screw it all up, so that you won't ask them for help again. Arrgghh!!
ETA: That spoon thing was created by a disabled person to describe what their everyday life is like. It's been appropriated by social-justicey types to explain why a perfectly able-bodied person can't do simple, ordinary tasks. (Rather than chalking it up to, y'know, good, old-fashioned laziness.)
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I'm getting SO sick of this work-ableist privilege some people so blatantly espouse here. You feel that laziness is just a handicap to be overcome, right? Do you have ANY idea how many spoons it cost me just to address the work-ableist privilege you're showing here? Well, just fork that!
They are so bad in my mind that I use the a+ as an insult. Are you whining about a problem but not doing anything to fix it? A+er. Do you insult people who are actively trying to fix a problem ? A+er.
You see, I've actually gone to my city councilperson and spoken about gay marriage (they're more available to you than you think). I did this in a stained t-shirt and jeans at a local vegetarian/kosher restaurant.
I have not heard of one a+er doing anything real.
I guarantee that meeting with your council person and calling her a misogynist will not get you anywhere.
You see, I've actually gone to my city councilperson and spoken about gay marriage (they're more available to you than you think). I did this in a stained t-shirt and jeans at a local vegetarian/kosher restaurant.
I have not heard of one a+er doing anything real.
I guarantee that meeting with your council person and calling her a misogynist will not get you anywhere.
Funny you should mention that. I've discussed issues of patriarchy and misogyny with several friends (females as it happens). The one issue two of them raised where there still seems to be institutional cultural inequality between the sexes, is that of household work. In many cases, women are more easily annoyed by messy living spaces and are thus left with the burden of doing something about it. I'm not sure if this is a general phenomenon - very few data points and subjective on top of that.
However, I read this study and I just have to shake my head in wonder. If you're examining inequalities, how can you ONLY interview women? Where's your control group? Perceptions of inequality between men and women were studied, by only asking women. How on Earth can this tell you anything? I mean, really, where is the pretense of doing actual science?
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In my household labour division is about even. My wife doesn't want me doing the laundry because I'll wreck it, but she doesn't shovel snow or mow the lawn because she says she isn't strong enough. I do 75% of the cooking and usually take the garbage out, the rest of the chores are split fairly evenly.
She does take the kids to daycare more than I do because I'm working shifts and I'm therefore either working too early or too late to drop them off, but I work with her in other ways to lessen the burden.
Of course we're just a married couple with two kids trying to make a household work, and we haven't thought out the political implications of emptying the diaper pail.
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As an aside...anyone else notice the gender imbalance on their household chores thread ?
Oh. My.
I'm guessing the patriarchy is safe.
"What do we want?"
"An end to misogyny!"
"When do we want it?"
"Well I don't really have the spoons to do it today because I already took out the garbage"
"Yes, my asthma is playing up because of the horrible dust"
"My agnosia means that it our goals could be achieved today, tomorrow, in a month or in a year, it all feels the same to me"
"How about a group hug?"
"TRIGGER WARNING!"
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Naturally some of them want to end capitalism, considering that they themselves are self-ascribed marxists.
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FTB Chris Clarke.
Evidently conspiracy theory is quite okay if you're on the right side of the political spectrum.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyng...amie-hyneman-youve-got-some-explaining-to-do/
So apparently, rather than ask Adam or Jamie, who are very accessible guys, he decides to rant on FTB. Are all modern SJWs holed up in mommie's basement suffering from agoraphobia? Why do they blog or tweet rather than address things directly? WAWS? (Watson Attention Whoring Syndrome)
And do scroll through the comments to find PZ's self-fulfilling prophesy. He is enjoying the hell out of making himself a pariah in the skeptical community, ain't he? No one would have associated Clarke with Pee-Zed if he hadn't shown up to rubber-stamp the article.
Are we sure PZ's actually a "scientist"?
Evidently conspiracy theory is quite okay if you're on the right side of the political spectrum.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyng...amie-hyneman-youve-got-some-explaining-to-do/
So apparently, rather than ask Adam or Jamie, who are very accessible guys, he decides to rant on FTB. Are all modern SJWs holed up in mommie's basement suffering from agoraphobia? Why do they blog or tweet rather than address things directly? WAWS? (Watson Attention Whoring Syndrome)
And do scroll through the comments to find PZ's self-fulfilling prophesy. He is enjoying the hell out of making himself a pariah in the skeptical community, ain't he? No one would have associated Clarke with Pee-Zed if he hadn't shown up to rubber-stamp the article.
Are we sure PZ's actually a "scientist"?
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Hah.
And my favorite, http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyng...plaining-to-do/comment-page-1/#comment-624779
and
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyng...plaining-to-do/comment-page-1/#comment-624803
*sigh*
Guilty, until proved innocent. (Although, apparently the FBI did lie. I think.)
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Oh, Setar. You're the gift that gives on giving:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyng...plaining-to-do/comment-page-1/#comment-625610
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyng...plaining-to-do/comment-page-1/#comment-625610
Excerpt of Setar's commentary:
Mmm, unless of course they're already busy with infiltrating the truther-forums, where any who disagree effectively with the local fauna is suspected of being a shill, FBI, Mossad or CIA stooge et al. Frankly, when you go so far to use the very truther'esque 'Infiltration-and-Silencing' fallacy, you should lie down and think things over a bit more.
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