astrology,feng shui and research

[woodwater]

Hi folks
I accepted the million dollar challenge t prove chinese astrology works as this is more logical and specific than western or vedic.
I`m suroprised that a certain Geoffey Dean ignored evidence for astrology by Gauguelin on the grounds that people gave fake birthtimes to avoid the midnight hour,which he calls the «spooky hour». The man seems to suffer from the same lack of reasoning skillsthat he says astrologers lack.
It didnt occur to him that people avoid the midnight hour to avoid ambiguity in birthday. If i tell you im born at midnight you dont know if i was born in the previous or next day. He was pathetic.

cheers
paulo

 

[teddygrahams]

What about Daylight Saving Time ?

 

[Aepervius]

He. Astrology.

Firstly: Welcome.
Secondly : Good luck on the challenge
Thirdly : I know at least 2 people which have birth "hours" at midnight My mother which was so "born" on, well, midnight +3 minutes, and me which was born on a 1/4 of hour after midnight. Both hour were medically and DULLY recorded as is. So maybe people themselves avoid the hour midnight for some reason, but I know of no case in which nurse and doctor note the incorrect time. No my own experience is evidence of *nothing*, but an indication that your hypothese of avoiding hourtime because of possible confusion is not true, at least for "officials" in charge of the birth.
Fourthly : I am just wondering, what is your explanation that baby born at the same place (or nearly : 10 maybe 20 meter difference) at the same time (*) (only a few minute) can have such a different fate & Character ? And if you SAY that this small difference of time/distance is enough to make such a big difference, how can you say that you can make any usefull prediction ?

Ho well, I am just curious, since I think astrology is a best laughable on its premise, ( and inconsistant from an astrologer to the next!), and at worst a scam to scalp some $$$ from gullible.

(*) this happenned a lot at the maternity the night when my sister gave birth to one of my niece.

 

[Bronze Dog]

And what about time zones? Where's the astrological date line?

 

[WildCat]

Hi folks
I accepted the million dollar challenge t prove chinese astrology works as this is more logical and specific than western or vedic.
I`m suroprised that a certain Geoffey Dean ignored evidence for astrology by Gauguelin on the grounds that people gave fake birthtimes to avoid the midnight hour,which he calls the «spooky hour». The man seems to suffer from the same lack of reasoning skillsthat he says astrologers lack.
It didnt occur to him that people avoid the midnight hour to avoid ambiguity in birthday. If i tell you im born at midnight you dont know if i was born in the previous or next day. He was pathetic.

cheers
paulo

I thought that only the position of the stars/planets etc.mattered in astrology, you seem to be saying there's some numerology aspect to it?

Oh well, good luck getting the $1 million.

 

[Aepervius]

Hey Wildcat

I thought that only the position of the stars/planets etc.mattered in astrology, you seem to be saying there's some numerology aspect to it?

Oh well, good luck getting the $1 million.

With a post count of 4000+ you should not be surprised that there is many things involved, or which are added with time to "any" Woo-logy. Numerology, Phrenology, Quantum Meccanic, Metapreampsichobablelogy. Whatever fits your taste !!

 

[WildCat]

With a post count of 4000+ you should not be surprised that there is many things involved, or which are added with time to "any" Woo-logy. Numerology, Phrenology, Quantum Meccanic, Metapreampsichobablelogy. Whatever fits your taste !!

Dammit, I baited and set the trap and you went and pointed it out to him!

 

[Mercutio]

I`m suroprised that a certain Geoffey Dean ignored evidence for astrology by Gauguelin on the grounds that people gave fake birthtimes to avoid the midnight hour,which he calls the «spooky hour». [snip]

Did you note that Gauguelin's data also are subject to several other fake birthday biases? Higher than expected births on "lucky" days, lower on "unlucky" days, for instance?

Did you note that Gauguelin's data only found effects based on position of planets in the sky at the specific time of birth, and did not find any effects of traditional astrological variables? This is a strange sort of "evidence for astrology" indeed.

If the effects are not an artifact of fake birthtimes (and dates), then another sample (rather than the one that yielded the Mars Effect) should replicate the finding. If a sample is collected from a population for which specific medical records are required, the potential for fake birthtimes as an artifact is minimized; indeed, if the effect is real, the more specific the medical records are, the more the effect will show up.

Rather than complain that Dean's critique was wrong, you should be attempting to replicate Gauguelin on a different sample. After all, astrology that only works on one specific sample is useless.

 

[Mercutio]

Additional reading on the issue.

 

[Aepervius]

Woodwatter, another one I just remmembered

I had a "colleague" back before making my doctorat, he had a brother. My colleague was a bit chaotic, quite funny, and rather well spirited (he was also what i would call slim). His brother was rather mean spirited, big boned (well... Let us say straighly a bit of the fat side but not quite obese), and nearly 10 cm smaller. I can't even say they had opposite character for everything (even if it comes as that in my post text), but their character was different (not opposite not similar). I met his brother at a birthday party.

Here is the KICKER. They were TWINS ! They were born only VERY few minute appart (their own mother words) and I can guarantee it was in the middle of the day.

If they are two people which are a counter example on how you can predict accuratly anything base on birthdate and hour, it was those. You would have to go down to the minute. And now here is the kicker : unless all the doctor in all maternity suddenly started to use UTC(edit and an a clock synchronised to an atomic clock on UTC), the "minute" things was taken from the wall hour. Which is most probably different by minutes from an hospital to the next.


Furthermore if somebody is born at 16h , and he go to a chinese astrologer, a german one, or a los angeles one, I BET MY WEIGHT IN CHOCOLATE EGGS that they are using the "16h" without hourtime shift as somebody precised in another post.

 

[woodwater]

hi wild cat

in chinese astrology if youre born before midnight you belong to one element, if youre born after midnight you belong to another.

paulo

 

[woodwater]

I had a "colleague" back before making my doctorat, he had a brother. My colleague was a bit chaotic, quite funny, and rather well spirited (he was also what i would call slim). His brother was rather mean spirited, big boned (well... Let us say straighly a bit of the fat side but not quite obese), and nearly 10 cm smaller. I can't even say they had opposite character for everything (even if it comes as that in my post text), but their character was different (not opposite not similar). I met his brother at a birthday party.

Here is the KICKER. They were TWINS ! They were born only VERY few minute appart (their own mother words) and I can guarantee it was in the middle of the day.

If they are two people which are a counter example on how you can predict accuratly anything base on birthdate and hour, it was those. You would have to go down to the minute. And now here is the kicker : unless all the doctor in all maternity suddenly started to use UTC(edit and an a clock synchronised to an atomic clock on UTC), the "minute" things was taken from the wall hour. Which is most probably different by minutes from an hospital to the next.


Furthermore if somebody is born at 16h , and he go to a chinese astrologer, a german one, or a los angeles one, I BET MY WEIGHT IN CHOCOLATE EGGS that they are using the "16h" without hourtime shift as somebody precised in another post.

Hi

thanks tothe feedback. I also have twin cousins with different personalities. Im still waiting for an astrologer to explain me why they are different.
But the point is that i found the element of «power» in virtually all politicians, where control groups only showed 6 out of 10 people with power in their chinese charts. This is what i want to prove with chineses atrology

cheers
paulo

 

[eri]

Hi

thanks tothe feedback. I also have twin cousins with different personalities. Im still waiting for an astrologer to explain me why they are different.
But the point is that i found the element of «power» in virtually all politicians, where control groups only showed 6 out of 10 people with power in their chinese charts. This is what i want to prove with chineses atrology

cheers
paulo

Hi Paulo. Welcome to the forum. How do you determine this element of power? What is it based on, specifically? And why do you need another astrologer to explain your cousins to you, if you plan on taking the test yourself?

 

[woodwater]

And what about time zones? Where's the astrological date line?

Hi good question. we dont know exactly where the new day starts. is it in the pacific,or middle east?
no chinese astrologer has answered to theat

paulo

 

[woodwater]

And what about time zones? Where's the astrological date line?

Hi good question. we dont know exactly where the new day starts. is it in the pacific,or middle east?
no chinese astrologer has answered to theat

paulo

 

[woodwater]

power element is calculated this way.
see President Bush`s chart

hour day month year
metal metal wood fire
wood fire fire earth
rabbit snake horse dog

rabbit is a wood animal, the snake a fire etc.
power element is the one thatcontrols Bush self element metal,the day element. That element is fire. As you can see he has lots of it.That means he is ambitious for power. But he is weak,meaning,there is little of his pwn element metal in the chart and little of the element that generates metal,earth. So,he can only achieve power when he is strong,that is,when there is earth or metal in a cycle. In 2000 he was in a 10 year cycle of metal and 2000 was also metal,and the animal sign Dragon was earth, so power came to him. This is how it works

Paulo

 

[woodwater]

now that i think of it, since you are skeptics maybe i can do your charts and you tell me what you think,since i believe your judgement wont be biased. Clients always agree with me even when i do fake charts because they have no critical skills.

paulo

 

[delphi_ote]

there is little of his pwn element metal in the chart

pwn?

 

[TruthSeeker]

now that i think of it, since you are skeptics maybe i can do your charts and you tell me what you think,since i believe your judgement wont be biased. Clients always agree with me even when i do fake charts because they have no critical skills.

paulo

What information do you need to be able to do a chart?

 

[R.A.F.]

Hi folks
I accepted the million dollar challenge t(o) prove chinese astrology works..

What exactly do you mean when you say that chinese astrology "works"???