Assistance required for telepathy proof

[golfy]

As for the police issue, I have a complaint in with the IPCC (Independent Police Complaints Commission) so as to pressure the two police officers into taking a cat ship test. I am hoping it will happen soon.

Maybe the guy tested yesterday had some insight to what I was doing – a suspicious person would say he has indicated that he can hear my thoughts and therefore tried to sabotage my test, or as a hint, showed me how others will try and beat the test.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080726084446AA12KE6

golfy

 

[golfy]

So, you can't do it.

Paul

No, the judgement point of when to put the application in to the JREF would be the same. You are tiring me out with inane questions that produce nothing. It is like teaching kids how to think. I give you some credit for intelligence that you would know what I meant but then I have to spell it out to you like you are an argumentative 5 year old. Is that you Sledge?

If you were telepathic, would you put in an app when your tests are not producing the correct result? No. (See me giving you credit there, expecting you to not do the obviously stupid) So why would I.

golfy

 

[AdMan]

Maybe the guy tested yesterday had some insight to what I was doing – a suspicious person would say he has indicated that he can hear my thoughts and therefore tried to sabotage my test, or as a hint, showed me how others will try and beat the test.

You mean a paranoid person.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Your last statement can be viewed as you know I am telepathic and therefore need to manipulate the GSR results to make me fail, so that it keeps the cover up going as the method of proof has been deliberately sabotaged to be in your favour.

That's not how I read it. To me it looked like it was saying you are going to assume everyone's trying to trick you rather than face the possibility that you are not psychic, and pointed out the sort of excuse you are likely to make to justify failure to yourself.

How would you know in which direction to manipulate the GSR if you do not know which word I have, unless I am telepathic of course.

If you're not telepathic, then nobody needs to manipulate anything; the results will be random anyway.

If you were telepathic, then I suppose a determined polygraph cheat would just have to decide their next answer at random before each test then stick to that, whatever you projected to them. The result would still be random.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

If you were telepathic, would you put in an app when your tests are not producing the correct result? No. So why would I.

If I were telepathic, I would project a message to James Randi personally saying "this guy is the real deal - you need to study him and find out how he does it". Then I wouldn't even need to apply.

I would also send similar messages to journalists, TV shows etc.

 

[sadhatter]

Golf, you realize your doing nothing more than setting up a test in which you can't lose, right? Maybe your doing it on purpose, maybe your not. But your simply setting up a test that is so convoluted, so complicated, and so biased in your favor, that it is going to either give positive results , or results you can explain away if negative.

You need to go back to the drawing board completely.

You have set up a situation ( everyone everywhere is conspiring against you.) in which your testing would be impossible. Your paranoia fantasy is ruining your chances at actually coming up with a decent test.

Try this on for size.

What if you are schizophrenic, and telepathic? You may very well have the powers that you claim, but due to your mental condition you think that everyone is out to screw with you. And this is impacting your ability to design a reasonable test. You could have these powers that could change the world, but because you think everyone in the world is out to lie to you, you will never prove them.

I have never read, woo or otherwise, anywhere where it says telepathy and mental illness are mentally exclusive. Knowing that you have been diagnosed , and knowing that you have the powers, you should be able to understand what the symptoms of mental illness are, and realize they are impacting your ability to prove your powers.

 

[Paulhoff]

No, the judgement point of when to put the application in to the JREF would be the same. You are tiring me out with inane questions that produce nothing.

OHHHH, questions that have meaning tire you out. How does the brain do it? Is that easy for you now.


Paul

 

[BTMO]

If you were telepathic, would you put in an app when your tests are not producing the correct result?

No, this is the point where I'd say to myself "I am not psychic".

 

[Sledge]

Then enlighten us to how it works Sledge. You only know how something does by having a knowledge of how it does work. If you do not have that intricate knowledge, then your opinion is not valid.

golfy

Wow, that's clever. You only know how something works by knowing how it works. Truly, you are one of the great thinkers of our time. Maybe you should go and look up what "tautology" means.

Reducing myself to your level aside, let's look at a simple explanation of how a machine measuring galvanic skin response works:

Skin conductance, also known as galvanic skin response (GSR), electrodermal response (EDR), psychogalvanic reflex (PGR), skin conductance response (SCR) or skin conductance level (SCL), is a method of measuring the electrical conductance of the skin, which varies with its moisture level.
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The device measures the electrical conductance (which is the inverse of the electrical resistance) between 2 points, and is essentially a type of ohmmeter.

Ok? As a bonus, let's see what that tells us:

This is of interest because the sweat glands are controlled by the sympathetic nervous system[1], so skin conductance is used as an indication of psychological or physiological arousal.
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Due to the response of the skin and muscle tissue to external and internal stimuli, the conductance can vary by several microsiemens. When correctly calibrated, the skin conductance can measure these subtle differences. There is a relationship between sympathetic activity and emotional arousal, although one cannot identify which specific emotion is being elicited.

So, your "GSR" is not a lie detector. Do you understand? It tells you how much a person is sweating. It does not tell you why the amount of sweat a person is producing has changed. Maybe they're hot. Maybe they're cold. Maybe they're thinking of something they like. Maybe a diagnosed schizophrenic is babbling incoherently at them about cats, ships, and how the blinking lights on their machine means he's telepathic.

As for the police issue, I have a complaint in with the IPCC (Independent Police Complaints Commission) so as to pressure the two police officers into taking a cat ship test. I am hoping it will happen soon.

Psychic Sledge predicts this will not happen. I also predict I will once again be denied the million for this 100% accutate prediction.

No, the judgement point of when to put the application in to the JREF would be the same. You are tiring me out with inane questions that produce nothing. It is like teaching kids how to think. I give you some credit for intelligence that you would know what I meant but then I have to spell it out to you like you are an argumentative 5 year old. Is that you Sledge?

Careful. Your paranoia is showing.

 

[golfy]

You only know how something does by having a knowledge of how it does work.

This was a typo - it shoud have read "You only know how something does not work by having a knowledge of how it does work.".

golfy

 

[beren]

This was a typo - it shoud have read "You only know how something does not work by having a knowledge of how it does work.".

golfy

Um.
Another typo?

Or are you really saying that unless it works, it can't fail to work?

 

[Beaver Hateman]

This was a typo - it shoud have read "You only know how something does not work by having a knowledge of how it does work.".

golfy

No it wasn't. It did say that when I originally quoted it, and said "Not if it doesn't work at all". Then you went back and edited it to read as it reads now.

 

[golfy]

So, your "GSR" is not a lie detector.

How think are you - the lie detection is done in the human brain, not inside the GSR. I never said it was a lie detector, lie detection is done by the operator by interpreting the results displayed by the GSR. Get a grip Sledge.

golfy

 

[Sledge]

How think are you - the lie detection is done in the human brain, not inside the GSR. I never said it was a lie detector, lie detection is done by the operator by interpreting the results displayed by the GSR. Get a grip Sledge.

golfy

No. A GSR does not make a useful lie detector. A person using it to help them detect lies is fooling only themselves. Again:

There is a relationship between sympathetic activity and emotional arousal, although one cannot identify which specific emotion is being elicited

All it tells you is that the amount someone is sweating has changed. It does not tell you why, and there is no way to know. Understand?

 

[Marcus]

Your last statement can be viewed as they know I am telepathic and therefore need to manipulate the GSR or poly results to make me fail, so that it keeps the cover up going as the method of proof has been deliberately sabotaged to be in your favour. How would they know in which direction to manipulate the GSR if you do not know which word I have, unless I am telepathic of course.

golfy

They know you are telepathic because they have heard the messages you have sent them. Like everyone, they will lie about it. Whatever motivates them to lie ( I'm not clear what that is) will also motivate them to fool the polygraph so that you don't catch them at it.

This is all looking at it from your viewpoint, of course.

 

[golfy]

Yes, but in a specific case like a cat ship test, if the overriding stress is produced by the fact the RX is lying and about to be caught lying, then that stress will give a higher reading than all other stress factors and produce a correct detection of a lie. Understand?

Hence the correct answer gleaned for the cat ship test with the Dr. 3 stress versus off the scale (greater than 18).

You have to stop generalising Sledge.

golfy

 

[Sean84]

How think are you - the lie detection is done in the human brain, not inside the GSR. I never said it was a lie detector, lie detection is done by the operator by interpreting the results displayed by the GSR. Get a grip Sledge.

golfy

But you're not even doing that.

You're taking random data given by a device you don't know how to use, and are not using properly, in an uncontrolled environment and pouncing on anything that can be contorted in your mind to support your claim while dismissing everything else.

Science harder, dammit!

_{(Start by tossing that overpriced toy in the nearest dumpster.)}

 

[FG10]

Originally Posted by golfy

Yes, but in a specific case like a cat ship test, if the overriding stress is produced by the fact the RX is lying and about to be caught lying, then that stress will give a higher reading than all other stress factors and produce a correct detection of a lie. Understand?

How are you going to test for other potential effects giving rise to 'stress' conditions? How do you calibrate to identify one stress condition from another?

Would you accept that your belief in your ability is closed minded?

 

[Beaver Hateman]

Yes, but in a specific case like a cat ship test, if the overriding stress is produced by the fact the RX is lying and about to be caught lying, then that stress will give a higher reading than all other stress factors and produce a correct detection of a lie. Understand?

Hence the correct answer gleaned for the cat ship test with the Dr. 3 stress versus off the scale (greater than 18).

You have to stop generalising Sledge.

golfy

I thought that they were under orders to say 'no' to both questions. In that case, how are they 'lying and about to be caught lying'? It's not a lie to answer 'no' when asked a question and ordered by the questioner to answer 'no'.

The only possible stress could come from their fear that the cat (or the ship) was about to be let out of the bag as regards the Grand Conspiracy. Which has nothing to do with lying.

 

[Sledge]

Why would they be stressed at the thought of being caught lying? They've got absolutely nothing to lose, unless you're going to weave this into your "the whole world is plotting against me" conspiracy.