Assistance required for telepathy proof

[Pixel42]

Yes, that is my cat ship test but I do not speak. Fine by me.

OK. So we just need to agree success criteria. You have a 50% chance of guessing right each time, so we'll need to run the test quite a few times to get a statistically significant result. Let's say 40 runs, with a success criteria of 30 hits.

I suggest we ask one of the many UK sceptic groups to host and adjudicate.

 

[anduin]

Hi wardenclyffe,
Non of you have said “Nice result with your Doctor golfy, keep it up and you may soon win the $1M!”

Because it was not a nice result, it was deeply disturbing, and to me, an independent reader of this thread, it was confirmation that you suffer from some serious mental illness. When I heard the recording it was evident to me that this was not a hit, as many people have pointed out, as the test was deeply flawed.

Furthermore, it was evident that your doctor became concerned about her safety as you became increasingly antagonistic, I have received training in mediation and I recognised that she used some techniques to calm you down as you were getting agitated (her saying that you should respect her point of view as well is a classic mediation technique). I was very concerned that you seemed to imply that everyone else in the world is guilty, just in the same sense that criminals are guilty and lie about their actions.

It was also evident in the recording that your doctor was deeply disturbed by your use of the rape analogy and the implication that all rapists lie, just in the same way that most people in the world lie. This is a guess, but I think that at that point your doctor became concerned about her own safety and tried to terminate the meeting amicably and promptly.

I am going to go completely on a wild guess here as I have a bit of legal experience. From your posts it is clear that you have had more than enough contact with mental health professionals and law enforcement. Most normal people never experience such things. Moreover, I have been struck by your constant refusal to answer the simple question of why you cannot trust anyone in the world, and why it is that you would believe that every single person in the world is lying to you. This to me has actually a very simple explanation. I would assume that you are projecting your own distrustfulness onto everyone else. I would even guess that you have at some point been accused of committing a crime and maybe even seen the inside of a jail or a mental institution.

But perhaps the most interesting question of all is the one that was asked earlier in the thread, and that you never answered. SO WHAT? Really, if you have a telepathic ability, it must be the most pathetic telepathic ability ever. So you can project your thoughts to people, but they will never acknowledge it. Doesn't that strike you as a bit pathetic? Why do you even want to test that you have it in the first place?

Here is where I think the mental illness evidence comes in. If you can prove that you have a telepathic power, then everyone else is wrong about you having a mental illness, which would validate the crumbling fragile shell that you have constructed.

Sorry if I am being blunt, but I think that this thread has gone beyond being amusing. It is demonstrable that you have some serious issues, I wish you a prompt recovery.

 

[Pixel42]

I've found a nearby Skeptics in the Pub group: http://cheltenham.skepticsinthepub.org/

They've got Chris French coming to speak next week, someone I'd very much like to hear, so I'll try to get along to that, introduce myself, and broach the subject of them helping with a test.

There's also one in Cambridge: http://cambridge.skepticsinthepub.org/

who golfy might like to get in touch with, I'm sure they'd be interested in helping him test his claims.

 

[golfy]

Because it was not a nice result, it was deeply disturbing, and to me, an independent reader of this thread, it was confirmation that you suffer from some serious mental illness. When I heard the recording it was evident to me that this was not a hit, as many people have pointed out, as the test was deeply flawed.

Furthermore, it was evident that your doctor became concerned about her safety as you became increasingly antagonistic, I have received training in mediation and I recognised that she used some techniques to calm you down as you were getting agitated (her saying that you should respect her point of view as well is a classic mediation technique). I was very concerned that you seemed to imply that everyone else in the world is guilty, just in the same sense that criminals are guilty and lie about their actions.

It was also evident in the recording that your doctor was deeply disturbed by your use of the rape analogy and the implication that all rapists lie, just in the same way that most people in the world lie. This is a guess, but I think that at that point your doctor became concerned about her own safety and tried to terminate the meeting amicably and promptly.

I am going to go completely on a wild guess here as I have a bit of legal experience. From your posts it is clear that you have had more than enough contact with mental health professionals and law enforcement. Most normal people never experience such things. Moreover, I have been struck by your constant refusal to answer the simple question of why you cannot trust anyone in the world, and why it is that you would believe that every single person in the world is lying to you. This to me has actually a very simple explanation. I would assume that you are projecting your own distrustfulness onto everyone else. I would even guess that you have at some point been accused of committing a crime and maybe even seen the inside of a jail or a mental institution.

But perhaps the most interesting question of all is the one that was asked earlier in the thread, and that you never answered. SO WHAT? Really, if you have a telepathic ability, it must be the most pathetic telepathic ability ever. So you can project your thoughts to people, but they will never acknowledge it. Doesn't that strike you as a bit pathetic? Why do you even want to test that you have it in the first place?

Here is where I think the mental illness evidence comes in. If you can prove that you have a telepathic power, then everyone else is wrong about you having a mental illness, which would validate the crumbling fragile shell that you have constructed.

Sorry if I am being blunt, but I think that this thread has gone beyond being amusing. It is demonstrable that you have some serious issues, I wish you a prompt recovery.

You have made some very scathing comments in this response but as has been discussed at length on this forum that opinion (even a psychiatrists opinion) does not override actual objective proof. I will endeavour to prove myself to be correct and once I have done so I would ask you to participate in an objective cat ship, P300 or other test which will prove me to be correct and that you are part of this cover up and just a liar yourself playing mind games. You can say I am paranoid as did the psychiatrists, but they have also told me “If you think you are telepathic, then prove it.” Or words to that effect. I have an audio recording of it.

I do not need to write down hundreds of examples on this forum to demonstrate why I believe I am telepathic, all I have to do is construct a test that proves it against all my critics so that you can’t continue to cowardly hide behind each other, all picking on one guy as telepathy is hard to prove against liars.

If anduin would like to provide contact details at a later date by some means acceptable to himself as I will obviously visit this forum again once I have proven my ability, so that I will have the opportunity to prove that you are just as pathetic as you have described my ability. I believe you are a liar and a charlatan.

As you are in the UK you have no reason to not take a test with me, but would you ever even turn up once the cat ship test has been proven to be effective.

As another writer on this forum said “Burden of proof”. This applies to yourself, prove me wrong objectively or stop posting immature rants of subjective opinion.

golfy

 

[golfy]

I've found a nearby Skeptics in the Pub group: http://cheltenham.skepticsinthepub.org/

They've got Chris French coming to speak next week, someone I'd very much like to hear, so I'll try to get along to that, introduce myself, and broach the subject of them helping with a test.

There's also one in Cambridge: http://cambridge.skepticsinthepub.org/

who golfy might like to get in touch with, I'm sure they'd be interested in helping him test his claims.

Yes I would be interested in talking to this group. I feel that I should have a good set of data, better than I have at the moment, to bring with me. I like the idea (for data collection) of the twin cat ship test with a GSR and many people rather than lots of tests with just one person. Evidence points towards the GSR working well at least twice at the start of a test. If a 50% accuracy is assumed then two correctly predicted tests would provide a 75% certainty that the person being tested can hear my thoughts, but not enough accuracy to accuse them of anything. The GSR is more than 50% accurate but for the sake of the maths I will stick with 50% at the moment.

If 10 people are tested twice each and hopefully all 20 results are correct predictions, then this is 99.9999% certain that I am telepathic but each person has not been tested to a “You are a liar” point (past 98% certainty) but I have proven myself to be telepathic.

This can then be used as proof of my ability so that I am taken more seriously by people and can also be used as a springboard for more stringent “one on one” tests.

Then I would be happy to present my evidence to an independent body for analysis and further testing.

golfy

 

[sadhatter]

TO another 3 years of ******* around while golfy states how much he REALLY believes his powers.

Cheers!

 

[Pixel42]

If a 50% accuracy is assumed then two correctly predicted tests would provide a 75% certainty that the person being tested can hear my thoughts

No, that's not how it works. There is a 1 in 4 chance of getting two correct predictions by chance even if the person cannot hear your thoughts, (in which case the accuracy of your polygraph is irrelevant). You'll have to beat chance odds far higher than that before you can convince anyone you are telepathic. IIRC the JREF preliminary test requires the claimant to beat odds of 1 in 1000.

If 10 people are tested twice each and hopefully all 20 results are correct predictions, then this is 99.9999% certain that I am telepathic

With 20 runs you'd expect to get 10 correct by chance. If you get 17 right you've beaten odds of 1 in 100, 19 right and you've beaten odds of 1 in 10,000 and can start thinking about applying for the JREF challenge.

Those figures are from these probability tables: http://www.automeasure.com/chance.html

 

[AdMan]

I've found a nearby Skeptics in the Pub group: http://cheltenham.skepticsinthepub.org/

They've got Chris French coming to speak next week, someone I'd very much like to hear, so I'll try to get along to that, introduce myself, and broach the subject of them helping with a test.

You might also want to inquire what their position is on encouraging someone who is likely mentally ill, and if it's similar to the JREF's:

The JREF has spent valuable time and resources investigating claims that were submitted by people who were obviously suffering from a mental ailment. These people need medical help, not encouragement. By requiring media presence, the JREF ensures that only those people who make an impact on society will be tested, and the individuals who are mentally ill receive no encouragement to continue their delusions.

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/component/content/article/37-static/254-jref-challenge-faq.html

 

[golfy]

No, that's not how it works. There is a 1 in 4 chance of getting two correct predictions by chance even if the person cannot hear your thoughts, (in which case the accuracy of your polygraph is irrelevant). You'll have to beat chance odds far higher than that before you can convince anyone you are telepathic. IIRC the JREF preliminary test requires the claimant to beat odds of 1 in 1000.

You has misinterpreted what I was saying. If I assume a worst case of 50% accuracy on the GSR, then two tests would be 75% certainty of the person can hear my thoughts. That is 1 in 4 against them not hearing me.

To then get a sequence of ten people, two tests each with all predictions correct would be a million to one against it happening by chance with an assumed accuracy of 50% on the GSR. That would be 99.9999% certainly that I am telepathic.

The chance of tossing a coin to either heads or tails is 50%. Heads twice in a row is 2xy2 = 4 - a one in 4 chance. The chance of getting a coin to land on heads 3 times is 2xy3 = 8 – a one in 8 chance. The chance of getting a coin to land on heads 20 times in a row is 2xy20 – a million to one chance. If I can get ten people to do two tests each then the chance of me predicting the correct answers with a 50% GSR (or coin) is one in a million, or if it does happen then 99.9999% certainty that it is not happening by chance i.e. it is happening because I am telepathic.

If the GSR has an assumed accuracy of say 80%, then to get all tests correctly predicted would be a 99.9999999999989% certainty that I am telepathic – either way if I can achieve 20 correct predictions with 10 people and 20 tests, then I have proven that I am telepathic to at least 99.9999% certainty.

golfy

 

[golfy]

You might also want to inquire what their position is on encouraging someone who is likely mentally ill, and if it's similar to the JREF's:

And what would the chance of me being mentally ill be AdMan if the sequence of tests work i.e. I have proven I am telepathic at a 99.9999% level of certainty before I put in an application ? Please think ahead.

golfy

 

[Sledge]

Are you saying it's impossible to be mentally ill and telepathic?

By the way, you never did answer my question. Which do you think is more likely, and why:
1) That you possess an ability that no human being has ever been able to prove before
OR
2) That you suffer a well-known illness that millions of people have and have had in the past?

Still curious.

 

[golfy]

By the way, you never did answer my question. Which do you think is more likely, and why:
1) That you possess an ability that no human being has ever been able to prove before
OR
2) That you suffer a well-known illness that millions of people have and have had in the past?

Still curious.

I have discussed this ad nauseam.

I was diagnosed as schizophrenic based on my description of my experiences that I am telepathic. Clear enough to you Sledge?

I am only interested in doing objective tests leading to proof, not interested conjecture about what I think so that you can then reply with another inane unproven opinion.

golfy

 

[Sledge]

I have discussed this ad nauseam.

No, you've gone to considerable length to avoid discussing this.

I was diagnosed as schizophrenic based on my description of my experiences that I am telepathic. Clear enough to you Sledge?

No. I have presented you with two options and asked you to pick which one is most likely and why you think that. What you have posted is not an answer to that question. Please answer my question or tell me why you won't.

 

[golfy]

Sledge,

I am not going to be dragged into a pointless opinionated subjective argument - objective proof is all that matters.

I will be concentrating on gaining actual results, after all that is the key to proof. Having an argument that neither of us can win is just wasting my time.

golfy

 

[godless dave]

You have made some very scathing comments in this response

Scathing? His response was nothing but compassionate and respectful.

 

[BTMO]

Sorry - I didn't read the last 21 pages, as life is short and I need to trim my nose hairs before going to work, so I apologise if I have missed this....

Golfy - have you applied for the MDC challenge formally, or just discussed your claim here?

 

[sadhatter]

I have discussed this ad nauseam.

I was diagnosed as schizophrenic based on my description of my experiences that I am telepathic. Clear enough to you Sledge?

I am only interested in doing objective tests leading to proof, not interested conjecture about what I think so that you can then reply with another inane unproven opinion.

golfy

So are you the only person who has been misdiagnosed as schitzophrenic but actually has superpowers? If so, doesn't that seem a little...comic booky to you?

If not, then how did you come to this conclusion? There are countless people saying the same things you are and that are obviously simply mentally ill. Seeing as one of the symptoms of being mentally ill is not understanding that one is mentally ill, how can you eliminate this possibility? Because so far, none of your proposed ways do that.

 

[Stray Cat]

As another writer on this forum said “Burden of proof”. This applies to yourself, prove me wrong objectively or stop posting immature rants of subjective opinion.

You're not really understanding this "burden of proof" thing.

It's no ones job to prove you're wrong. It's your job to prove you're right.

 

[Pixel42]

You has misinterpreted what I was saying. If I assume a worst case of 50% accuracy on the GSR, then two tests would be 75% certainty of the person can hear my thoughts.

So if I toss a coin twice, predicting heads both time, and it does actually happen to come down heads both times, that means there's a 75% certainty that I can see into the future?

We may disagree about probability theory but on one thing we're agreed: correctly guessing which of two cards someone else has written down 20 times out of 20 would be pretty good evidence that you have some kind of paranormal ability. In fact a success rate of at least 17 correct would be impressive.

 

[golfy]

It's no ones job to prove you're wrong. It's your job to prove you're right.

I fully understand “Burden of Proof”, which is why I am not getting dragged into arguments, but carrying out actual tests. You have a "Burden of Proof" if you claim I am schizophrenic - if you can't do that then stop writing unsubstantiated inane comments as you are not experienced, expert mental health practitioners, just sceptics on a forum. Anyone can be a sceptic as the burden of proof is not on them if I claim to be telepathic. I don’t see any of you getting closer and closer to winning the $1M. Maybe that’s the reason that you try so hard to talk me out of doing it myself, you can’t do it yourself and would hate to see someone else achieve it.

I did another test today, unfortunately the RX answered "Yes" when I asked him if he had the same as me on the first test so it was scrapped. The second test produced an accurate prediction. The third test had no lights on either question.

I’ll try again on someone else when I have the time as I am working at the moment achieving something.

golfy