Assistance required for telepathy proof

[Hokulele]

However, for 20% of the MDC, I'll have a crack at your surname, golfy.

I'm getting a Samoan name.....

Ful'a'ful'a'fisi.

Odd, I was receiving a Hawaiian name...

Kaumanua.

 

[fls]

I got "Gimpy" earlier.

Just now I got "Watson".

Linda

 

[Reno]

I am getting Head.

 

[IXP]

Ah, there's the difference. I'm picturing it all being done in one phase. For, say, 100 seconds, the sender continually sends "monkey." During those 100 seconds, the receiver, who's hooked up to a polygraph, is asked every ten seconds, "are you receiving cellphone?" "are you receiving monkey?" and so forth, marking the polygraph printout with "cellphone," "monkey," etc. each ten seconds.

Then the sender does it again, only this time he sends "cellphone."

And again, sending another of the ten words.

Repeat as many times as wanted.

The charts are coded and randomized and handed to the sender, who still has no contact with the receiver or the polygraph operator. If it works, each chart should be flat except for a blip under a different word, the word being sent that time, and the sender should be able to mark the correct word on each chart.
...
What am I missing?

This one is even easier to defeat if you can manipulate the polygraph. The receiver now needs to encode the sequence number of the test on each sheet. And the sheet is conveniently marked with 10 intervals, which gives him lots of room to encode the info.

Golfy then looks at the chart, reads the encoded sequence number and, knowing it is the 3'd test, say's, yep look, this is the one for "blue". Of course others won't see it that way, but Golfy is the judge.

The problem is that as long has you have these two conditions:

1. A receiver who can manipulate the polygraph.
2. The charts are shown to Golfy who interprets them.

You have opened a commincation channel that should not be there. Controlling for it is probably not impossible, but it is not easy.

IXP

 

[golfy]

Czarcasm,

I totally believe that I am telepathic beyond any kind of doubt whatsoever.

Starting from there, I then devised a test which did not work. My conclusion was that as I am telepathic the test was not accurate enough to show stress in the receiver or that I was not doing what was required to stress the receiver subject wise. i.e. asking them do you like roast beef? isn’t going to get much of a response on the equipment I had at the time.

I got better equipment and then started getting results which tended to coincide as you would expect on some but not may tests and was not really reliable enough to prove telepathy was present scientifically. I did show however that as the equipment and technique got better, the results got better but with others nothing happened, confirming that I could achieve results that others could not but could not get it reliable enough to be totally conclusive.

I then did the University test and only got one blip on the GSR plot when I thought something I would expect to cause a rise in GSR. The receivers mother had just gone into hospital the day before and was quite ill. During the activation period I thought of her and got the blip on the first plot straight away. I tried other thoughts that may cause stress but nothing happened.

On mentioning to the receiver after the test what I had thought of to get the blip, he said “I know, I wasn’t ready for that.” I said “So you heard it then?” and he just clammed up and would not elaborate at all and kept on blanking me every time I asked him about it.

Instead of thinking obscene, insulting or threatening things to the receiver which I was doing with the first test (apart from the hospital thing) to stress them out, the only blip came from me having some knowledge about them personally such as “I know you had an affair with Janet” type stuff seems to cause stress best. It is not the equipment, receiver, transmitter or protocol which was at fault, but not knowing what things to think which causes stress in the receiver which was the problem. I then asked the second receivers girlfriend for some personal bits of info on her boyfriend to be written down on some cards which should cause him to get stressed when he hears me think them. I used these in the second telepathy experiment and got the results shown in the second graph. Again thinking insult etc did not work but the personal (some very personal) info worked a treat when I read the cards fro the first time during the activation period. Again it showed that it is not the equipment, receiver, transmitter or protocol which was at fault, but knowing what exact things to think to the receiver was the key to getting the increase in GSR to happen at will. Think the wrong thing, nothing happens, think the correct thing and a GSR increase instantly appears.

Whilst setting up on the second experiment I did a quick test to see if I could get a GSR increase. I asked the experiment organiser to pick a name from 6 I had written down and then whilst watching the GSR graph thought to the receiver “Is the name Paul” – nothing happened on the GSR, “Is the name Mark” – nothing happened on the GSR, “Is the name Nicolas?” (the name the receiver had on a piece of paper), nothing happened on the GSR, “Is the name Jonathan?”, nothing happened on the GSR, “Is the name Richard?”, the GSR plot immediately rose and then slowly came down again, “Is the name Carl?”, nothing happened on the GSR.

After the test the receiver asked me “Did you get a blip on the right name” – I said I didn’t but I did get one on the name Richard – the receiver said “I think I know why, I had a ***** big argument with my best friend this morning. His name is Richard.”

So again it shows nothing wrong with the equipment, the transmitter is telepathic and the receiver does respond – the key I to find something that will stress the receiver when I think it.

I did a similar experiment with a girl who responded to nothing at all when I read to myself what was written on a set of card whilst she meditated untill the question “Do you want to have sex with me” came up on the next card. The GSR went up straight away (it was a tone GSR – it makes a sound tone which goes up and down with your stress) and she asked me “What question was that?” when she heard the tone suddenly rise – same principal applies -nothing wrong with the equipment, the transmitter is telepathic and the receiver does respond – the key I to find something that will stress the receiver when I think it.

So to answer your question if the test were to fail I would question the way the test was being carried out as not being done in a way which would actually cause stress in the receiver and try to find a more reliable way of stressing the receiver by thinking the correct thoughts which have the desired effect.

Of course I would have this all sorted out and be able to produce reliable results before approaching the JREF.

golfy

 

[Lanzy]

I have received your surname. But I believe if I tell you what it is you will lie to everyone and tell them I was wrong.

So I will send my middle name to you to prove I have received your surname. I am always receiving peoples thoughts but when I tell them what they were thinking they lie to me and tell me I am wrong all the time. I know just how you feel.

 

[golfy]

A number of people have put names on here so far and have been very far out so I have not replied. It would not be in my interest to lie to you if you can truly hear my thoughts and know my surname as it would be a gate to almost instant prize winning and $200,000 would go to yourself – I am not going to win the $800,000 by deceiving you if were the partner I was looking for.

golfy

 

[Czarcasm]

Why did I know what the answer would be?

So to answer your question if the test were to fail I would question the way the test was being carried out as not being done in a way which would actually cause stress in the receiver and try to find a more reliable way of stressing the receiver by thinking the correct thoughts which have the desired effect.

Of course I would have this all sorted out and be able to produce reliable results before approaching the JREF.

golfy

If the only response it is possible to get from you, if the test does not show what you think it should show, is that there is a defect in the test and not in your presumed abilities, then any further discussion on this matter is a complete waste of time. If you will only accept evidence that tells you what you want to hear, I suggest going to one of those boards that have pastel pink and blue backgrounds and guardian angels on both sides of the header. You will find plenty of people there who will believe anything you have to say(on condition, of course, that you support everything they say).

 

[alfaniner]

C..

I think the thing to do is finalise the tests first untill I can demonstrate successfully my telepathic ability and then come back to the JREF with a protocol suggestion and see if they are then happy with it.

golfy

That is the correct thing to do. But remember, you only have about 18 months to do the Challenge as it stands today. Please don't drag out this thread that long.

 

[fingersmith]

I agree there is no value in this if golfy is unwilling to accept failure. I find your paranoia a bit worrying golfy and suggest you seriously consider the possibility that you are not telepathic.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

A number of people have put names on here so far and have been very far out so I have not replied. It would not be in my interest to lie to you if you can truly hear my thoughts and know my surname as it would be a gate to almost instant prize winning and $200,000 would go to yourself – I am not going to win the $800,000 by deceiving you if were the partner I was looking for.

golfy

Bolding mine. Golfy, if it is not in your interest to lie to me, what makes you think it is my interest to lie to you? I've got $100,000 at stake, for chrissakes, and all I've got to do to collect is tell the truth! So there are one of two possibilities, Golfy...

1) For some unfathomable reason, I'm giving up $100,000 for the opportunity to tell a lie, or
2) You did not successfully communicate telepathically with me.

I'm very curious which of these you think is true.

 

[golfy]

At the end of the day I am not trying to convince the people on the forum. Being a critic is easy Czarcasm, probably why you spend so much time on here to simply try and tear down someone’s belief in themselves. Critics are 10 a penny and achieve little themselves.

I have no intension of dragging this forum out for 18 months, in fact I see little point in writing on it any more – I know what I have to do is prove my point to the JREF and not to you. You are not offering the $1,000,000 as a prize for proof that telepathy exists, they are.

golfy

 

[Czarcasm]

At the end of the day I am not trying to convince the people on the forum. Being a critic is easy Czarcasm, probably why you spend so much time on here to simply try and tear down someone’s belief in themselves. Critics are 10 a penny and achieve little themselves.

I have no intension of dragging this forum out for 18 months, in fact I see little point in writing on it any more – I know what I have to do is prove my point to the JREF and not to you. You are not offering the $1,000,000 as a prize for proof that telepathy exists, they are.

golfy

Be sure to tell them that you will not accept any failure as your responsibility, everyone lies to you about receiving your messages, you insist on using a polygraph despite the fact that they are usually prohibited because they are subject to interpretation, and that you've got graphs that support your ability.
Especially the graphs-you must show them lots of graphs.

 

[The Atheist]

You are not offering the $1,000,000 as a prize for proof that telepathy exists, they are.

golfy

Unfortunately, ther requirement for media awareness is likely to escape you. Try ringing up a newspaper or tv station and telling the news desk you can manipulate a polygraph.

They will be completely underwhelmed.

 

[IXP]

Golfy,

You have totally ignored my posts detailing how the type of test you endorse (as described by Pup and Rasmus) is open to cheating. Is this because:

1. You don't understand what I am saying;
2. You understand it but dismiss it;
3. You have a very clever plan to cheat the JREF out of $1M and it is in your wish that I would just go away?

I am sure that number 3 is the least likely, but on the off chance that this is what you are thinking, be forewarned that if you think I am being anal about preventing cheating, wait until you try to get a protocol past The Amazing One.

IXP

 

[Loss Leader]

I totally believe that I am telepathic beyond any kind of doubt whatsoever.

<confirmation bias>

Of course I would have this all sorted out and be able to produce reliable results before approaching the JREF.

Golfy -

None of the results you have told us about (including the graphs from the university experiment) are evidence of telepathy. Instead, they seem to be strong evidence of confirmation bias on your part.

Please ask yourself the following question: Why is it so important to you that you are telepathic? Why is it so important to you to be so unlike everyone else?

My guess is that, within the answers to those questions, you will find happiness worth far more than a million dollars.

 

[Timothy]

Whilst setting up on the second experiment I did a quick test to see if I could get a GSR increase. I asked the experiment organiser to pick a name from 6 I had written down and then whilst watching the GSR graph thought to the receiver “Is the name Paul” – nothing happened on the GSR, “Is the name Mark” – nothing happened on the GSR, “Is the name Nicolas?” (the name the receiver had on a piece of paper), nothing happened on the GSR, “Is the name Jonathan?”, nothing happened on the GSR, “Is the name Richard?”, the GSR plot immediately rose and then slowly came down again, “Is the name Carl?”, nothing happened on the GSR.

After the test the receiver asked me “Did you get a blip on the right name” – I said I didn’t but I did get one on the name Richard – the receiver said “I think I know why, I had a ***** big argument with my best friend this morning. His name is Richard.”

So again it shows nothing wrong with the equipment, the transmitter is telepathic and the receiver does respond – the key I to find something that will stress the receiver when I think it.

Do you understand the ramifications of this anecdote? It shows that you do not have the slightest comprehension of how to interpret the results of an experiment. You claim that the results herein are a CONFIRMATION that you have telepathic powers. Until you realize that this result is a 100% FAILURE, you'll have a hard time carrying on a fruitful discussion ... either with the forumites from whom you claim to be seeking assistance, or with the JREF.

 

[Rasmus]

I know what I have to do is prove my point to the JREF and not to you. You are not offering the $1,000,000 as a prize for proof that telepathy exists, they are.

You should not assume that convincing the JREF would be much easier.

Yes, it's a different approach. But if you were to give straight forward, satisfying answers to our questions it would seem a lot more likely that you'd stand a chance to convince the JREF.

Granted, you don't need to convince us, but your inability to do so points at problems you will have when being tested by the JREF because they will control for the kind of issues that we're asking questions about.

 

[Rasmus]

After the test the receiver asked me “Did you get a blip on the right name” – I said I didn’t but I did get one on the name Richard – the receiver said “I think I know why, I had a ***** big argument with my best friend this morning. His name is Richard.”

So again it shows nothing wrong with the equipment, the transmitter is telepathic and the receiver does respond – the key I to find something that will stress the receiver when I think it.

Do you at all realize that he got upset when you *said* the word "Richard" to him? Do you understand that this simply doesn't indicate telepathy in any way whatsoever?

(I am not even going into the 6:1 chance here of you accidentally picking the name from the start.)

You are doing a polygraph reading after the alleged transmission of telepathy. And as anyone would ave expected, the name that you tought you transmitted didn't register with him to cause any type of reaction.

 

[wahrheit]

[anecdote]

[another anecdote which shows that golfy failed, but he thinks it was a success]

[...] if the test were to fail I would question the way the test was being carried out [...]

And you wonder why no "academic" as you call them wants to test you anymore.