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Assistance required for telepathy proof

If my friend in Leeds knew about the girl with braces hours after it happened then NobbyNobbs will be able to tell me my surname. If you truly want the $100,000 and the magazine interview etc and you sincerely intend to help me then you would stop making excuses and simply put it on the forum. golfy


False dichotomy in the first sentence there, but I'll give it a shot, anyway.

I think your surname starts with a "G". Galmin, or Garwin, or something along those lines.

Am I close?
 
I am definitely getting a "T" sound. "T" or "Th." Trotter or Thornton. Thomas, maybe. I see Thomas as definitely either a first or last name. Tom, Thompson.

I'm clearly being asked to acknowledge a "T." Tom or Tony.

Do you think a lot about either a Tom or a Tony? I'm picking up thoughts that there's a "T" name that's very close to you.

He's a male and he's ... older. He's an older male.

This is very hard for me, golfy. I've never received thoughts like this before. I've never gotten anything quite as forcefully.

Please let me know if I'm on the right track. I really want to zero in on this person.
 
golfy, have you read the entire terms of the Challenge, and the associated FAQ?

I highly recommend it before you proceed.

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There is such a thing as an "MRI lie detector" though I'm sure it isn't called that. An MRI looks at parts of the brain that react differently when a person is lying. Source: Mythbusters. And Grant beat the machine.
 
Stage 1: Telepathic transmission
Sender sends, receiver receives. After a set period of time or a signal of "success" etc. stage one comes to an end.

Stage 2: Polygraph phase
A neutral tester quizzes the receiver who is at that time hooked up to a polygraph:

Tester: Did you receive the word "monkey"?
Receiver: Yes/No.

Tester: Did you receive the word "cellphone"?
Receiver: Yes/No.

Ah, there's the difference. I'm picturing it all being done in one phase. For, say, 100 seconds, the sender continually sends "monkey." During those 100 seconds, the receiver, who's hooked up to a polygraph, is asked every ten seconds, "are you receiving cellphone?" "are you receiving monkey?" and so forth, marking the polygraph printout with "cellphone," "monkey," etc. each ten seconds.

Then the sender does it again, only this time he sends "cellphone."

And again, sending another of the ten words.

Repeat as many times as wanted.

The charts are coded and randomized and handed to the sender, who still has no contact with the receiver or the polygraph operator. If it works, each chart should be flat except for a blip under a different word, the word being sent that time, and the sender should be able to mark the correct word on each chart.

You could also do it by sending for one minute, then doing the polygraph immediately afterwards, asking "were you sent cellphone?" etc.

But either way, if neither the receiver nor the polygraph operator know what word was being sent until after the sender marks the charts, I'm not sure how there could be information leakage. Yes, they'd know that one of the ten words on the list was being sent, but they wouldn't know which one.

Golfy finds a receiver who can manipulate the polygraph, showing either a high or low stress level. Golfy and the reciever have agreed beforehand that if the word begins with A-L he will show a low stress level and if it begins with M-Z he will show a high stress level.

But if the receiver doesn't know which word he was being sent until after the polygraph test, how can he send Golfy a coded message about it?

I don't see any reason for Golfy to look at the polygraph results. The Polygrapher will ask the ten words; only two results are possible: The polygrapher will be able to determine which word the person received or the results of the test will not lead to a clear determination.

It prevents "judging." Having Golfy look at the chart and state what word was being sent makes the result obvious: it's the right word, or it isn't. Having someone else look at the chart means they have to judge which word gave the strongest reaction. Is a low but long peak stronger than a high short peak? Stuff like that. Golfy could say, "No, you read it wrong. Any fool would see that this long hump here is stronger than that spike there." Too subjective. But if Golfy says the chart says cellphone when he was sending monkey, it's obvious whether he's right or wrong.

Furthermore, how could he determine which word corresponded to which set of results? each set of results should (if the receiver answers no for every question) look like nine flat responses and one wide response. How could Golfy figure out which coresponded to what? Each set of results would look the same.

Because, as described earlier in this post, there would be ten words written along the results. Each word should have a flat response beside it, except for one, which would be the word he sent while the chart for those ten words was being made.

By doing a series of tests and handing the coded print-outs to Golfy in random order, it prevents the problem of Golfy knowing which word he was sending. He would know all the words he sent, of course, but he wouldn't know which word he was sending when that particular chart was made.

Of course, I may be dense here and missing something really obvious, but if Golfy's claim is that he can manipulate people's response to a polygraph at a distance, I think this would work.

Personally, I think the reason that people claim they aren't receiving words from Golfy is because they aren't. And I think polygraphs are unreliable and manipulatable pseudoscience. (Manipulatable--is that even a word?)

But I don't see the problem with including a polygraph in the test, if neither the receiver nor the polygraph operator know what words were being sent when, and Golfy interprets the polygraph chart himself.

It's double blind. There's no more chance of information leakage than any test where the sender and receiver are in separate rooms sending at pre-timed intervals. And there's no judging: either Golfy marks the words right or he doesn't.

What am I missing?
 
But I don't see the problem with including a polygraph in the test, if neither the receiver nor the polygraph operator know what words were being sent when, and Golfy interprets the polygraph chart himself.

I agree. From the point of view of the test, the polygraph is just a prop. Like if I said my power was that "I can levitate a polygraph machine 3 feet in the air", you wouldn't reasonably reject that protocol just because it includes a polygraph. The protocol can be designed so that the function of the polygraph machine as a lie-detecting device doesn't matter to the test.
 
OK, I must be missing a lot here, although I believe I have read the thread and golfy's claim as best I can.

If golfy can truly send words to others, what is wrong with having him in one room (next door, or halfway across the planet if you like), give him a random list of words generated by a third disinterested party, mentally send them to his best, most trusted friend on the planet, who then writes them down, then compare the two lists.

What need of a lie detector? Unless golfy does not have one person in the entire world whom he trusts, who also BTW stands to pick up a cool $US100,000? Up the ante golfy! Offer him 50%. The $1M would be peanuts for both of you compared with what you would both get if you passed the challenge.

Norm
 
OK, I must be missing a lot here, although I believe I have read the thread and golfy's claim as best I can.

If golfy can truly send words to others, what is wrong with having him in one room (next door, or halfway across the planet if you like), give him a random list of words generated by a third disinterested party, mentally send them to his best, most trusted friend on the planet, who then writes them down, then compare the two lists.

What need of a lie detector? Unless golfy does not have one person in the entire world whom he trusts, who also BTW stands to pick up a cool $US100,000? Up the ante golfy! Offer him 50%. The $1M would be peanuts for both of you compared with what you would both get if you passed the challenge.

Norm

Because Golfy says that doing it that way doesn't work and the MDC is about designing a challenge that actually tests what the claimant says they can do, not what we think they should be able to do.

ETA: I think Pup has proposed a good design, although it might need a greater stimulus for discomfort than (perhaps subconsciously) lying about whether a word was received. What remains is whether it would be acceptable to Golfy, and more importantly, whether the application would be accepted given the lack of media presence. Failure wouldn't make much of an impact all round.

Linda
 
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Unless golfy does not have one person in the entire world whom he trusts, who also BTW stands to pick up a cool $US100,000?


Golfy appears to believe that even close friends and relatives lie about having heard his thoughts. Since he knows he is psychic, the fact that people claim otherwise is actually a fault of theirs.

He hopes the lie detector will overcome this problem.

All I know is that I'm being asked to acknowledge a very strong "T" name - Tim or Tom, earlier I said Tony - who golfy wishes had been more supportive.
 
Golfy appears to believe that even close friends and relatives lie about having heard his thoughts. Since he knows he is psychic, the fact that people claim otherwise is actually a fault of theirs.

He hopes the lie detector will overcome this problem.

All I know is that I'm being asked to acknowledge a very strong "T" name - Tim or Tom, earlier I said Tony - who golfy wishes had been more supportive.

Hmm, I'm getting more of an 'M' feeling. Mark, Mike, something like that. Maybe there's more than one person involved - possibly related in some way? It could even be Mary, I'm not sure if I'm getting a feel for the gender via telepathy.
 
If upping the prize money to half the winnings and then they can hear me, they will have just proven my case. They can hear me but are lying about it untill the rewards get high enough and then they can miraculously hear some thing that they have never heard before and say they can’t hear now. So I would be paying a liar $500,000 to start telling the truth.

A polygraph gets around the problem and I then I only have to pay a liar $100,000.

Any other deals that you can get are up to you. If you were to do the test word for word instead of using a polygraph and the MDC prize would be peanuts compared to what would come after that then why aren’t you going for it?

Correct surname please. If you can tell me it then the rewards you get would make the MDC prize look like peanuts, so why the stalling?

golfy
 
If upping the prize money to half the winnings and then they can hear me, they will have just proven my case. They can hear me but are lying about it untill the rewards get high enough and then they can miraculously hear some thing that they have never heard before and say they can’t hear now. So I would be paying a liar $500,000 to start telling the truth.

A polygraph gets around the problem and I then I only have to pay a liar $100,000.

Any other deals that you can get are up to you. If you were to do the test word for word instead of using a polygraph and the MDC prize would be peanuts compared to what would come after that then why aren’t you going for it?

Correct surname please. If you can tell me it then the rewards you get would make the MDC prize look like peanuts, so why the stalling?

golfy


Oh, correct surname. Sorry, I was only getting first names.

Henson.
 
If upping the prize money to half the winnings and then they can hear me, they will have just proven my case. They can hear me but are lying about it untill the rewards get high enough and then they can miraculously hear some thing that they have never heard before and say they can’t hear now. So I would be paying a liar $500,000 to start telling the truth.
...

I call shenanigans. And of course no test ever.
 
golfy, who would be paying for the lie detector and the person operating it?
Who would be choosing said operator?
If the results weren't as you predicted, would you then accuse the operator of manipulating the results?
 
If proving I am telepathic makes my earnings so large that it makes the JREF prize look like peanuts then I can do it outside the JREF with a polygraph myself and reap the rewards.

I am trying to locate the person who did the University test with me and see if he will volunteer for some more tests on a GSR I have which is as accurate as the one at the University.

I am willing to buy the polygraph as soon as I have enough funds but need a partner to help with the experiments to hone then to perfection before making a claim to the JREF.

Cant you see the progression I made in just two tests with the University? In ten strictly controlled tests we could have a blip in ever activation zone.

golfy.
 
They can hear me but are lying about it untill the rewards get high enough and then they can miraculously hear some thing that they have never heard before and say they can’t hear now.

A test or even a protocol still far away, but you are already blaming others for a possible failure. Help! Everybody can hear/receive my thoughts, but nobody would admit it! Everybody is just so greedy! Excuse me, but this sounds more like a conspiracy than a paranormal thing.
 
Bottom line,

$200,000 of the prize if you can tell me my surname and other words I am thinking after that to the point where we win the prize.

$100,000 if it is done with a polygraph but that is doubtful on here as once I buy a polygraph I would ask for local volunteers to assist me with it and they would share the prize.

Best choice for you is the $200K by the word for thought method i.e. I think a word and you repeat it back verbally or in writing.

You’ll look like chimps if I achieve it with someone else.

golfy
 
Best choice for you is the $200K by the word for thought method i.e. I think a word and you repeat it back verbally or in writing.

You’ll look like chimps if I achieve it with someone else.

golfy
And we'd look like chumps if we accepted such a challenge. We would have no way of knowing whether or not you were telling the truth about the words you were supposedly sending.

Again I ask-If the person operating the polygraph doesn't come forth with your expected results, will you accept said results, or accuse the operator of manipulating them?
 
A polygraph gets around the problem and I then I only have to pay a liar $100,000.
I am willing to buy the polygraph as soon as I have enough funds but need a partner to help with the experiments to hone then to perfection before making a claim to the JREF.
(all bolding mine)

Do you know anyone who is not a liar?
  • If yes, why do you insist so strongly in using a liar as the receiver?
  • If no, your partner is going to be a liar; so they'll probably sabotage your experiments instead of "helping with them".
 
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