Ask Newt why he thinks atheists want Muslim terrorists to win.

[Travis]

Back a bit Newt gave a talk where he alleged that secular Americans were actively trying to let Muslim terrorists win and take over the USA. At the time he wasn't even running for President so no one much took it up with him at the time.


But now he is running for President and since the Republicans seem to be running their primary on the idea that they will have debate after debate until everyone is just sick of them someone should take the opportunity to ask him why he thinks this is so?

I mean under what strain of logic do you think Atheists want a radical religious sect to win control of America?

 

[Upchurch]

Are you referring to this or something else?

 

[Carnivore]

Well, because we're evil.

 

[Humes fork]

Unfortunately I doubt he will be confronted with the question.

 

[Denver]

The word Atheist, in reality, means different things to different people. Some meanings are well beyond just "not believing in any deity", and I think to some people include anti-God, to anti-Christian, to anti-moral.

If you live in an environment where not believing in a the Christian God is the same as denying your Christian morals, which to you pretty much overlaps to normal society and ethics and American values, you can see why someone labeling themselves Atheist would seem to them as equivalent to a radical or an anti-American or even a terrorist.

I expect Gingrich (or at least the people to whom he is speaking) understand the term "atheism" in this manner. Given that kind of understanding, it is not unreasonable that they would feel threatened by those who label themselves atheists. So to answer the OP, that is the kind of logic I think is going on.

I don't see these people as stupid: just misinformed of the term as defined by atheists themselves. Maybe there needs to be an educational campaign, like the "Hello, my name is X, and I'm a Mormon".

 

[Travis]

Are you referring to this or something else?

I think the talk in question was in Georgia but that sounds very close to the remarks I remember so.....maybe it is the same one.

 

[Brainster]

Quote here:

"I have two grandchildren: Maggie is 11; Robert is 9," Gingrich said at Cornerstone Church here. "I am convinced that if we do not decisively win the struggle over the nature of America, by the time they're my age they will be in a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists and with no understanding of what it once meant to be an American."

Not sure what he means by that, but it does not sound like "secular Americans were actively trying to let Muslim terrorists win and take over the USA."

 

[leftysergeant]

Only in that sebacious cyst that serves as Newt's brain can a "secular atheist country" be dominated by a fundamentalist religion.

 

[Travis]

Quote here:



Not sure what he means by that, but it does not sound like "secular Americans were actively trying to let Muslim terrorists win and take over the USA."

Well the other possibility is that Newt thinks the Muslim Fundamentalists win and they turn America into a secular atheist culture for some reason.

Either way he thinks that one is somehow going to happen with the other. And that doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

 

[mhaze]

....under what strain of logic do you think Atheists want a radical religious sect to win control of America?

Oh, I think it's a complete misunderstanding. The athiests who are so quick to stand up for the rights of muslims to build their mosque next to the 911 attack site, who are so quick to pounce on any evidence of christianity in the winter holidays....you know, those athiests?

The ones who are so quick to quash every evidence of some type of prayer anywhere, but who have a blind eye to muslims on their little prayer rug five times a day?

Wait...."athiest" are just anti_Christian.

I got it.

Thanks. Oh, and no sympathy from me for your current whining.

 

[Brainster]

Well the other possibility is that Newt thinks the Muslim Fundamentalists win and they turn America into a secular atheist culture for some reason.

Either way he thinks that one is somehow going to happen with the other. And that doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

I agree there. Actually my reading of his statement is that he was implying that a secular America might lack the will to stand up to radical Islam. Not sure why he believes this.

 

[johnny karate]

Oh, I think it's a complete misunderstanding. The athiests who are so quick to stand up for the rights of muslims to build their mosque next to the 911 attack site, who are so quick to pounce on any evidence of christianity in the winter holidays....you know, those athiests?

The ones who are so quick to quash every evidence of some type of prayer anywhere, but who have a blind eye to muslims on their little prayer rug five times a day?

Oh... you mean the atheists that exist only in your fevered imagination. Something tells me the rest of us don't have too much to fear from them.

 

[rwguinn]

Quote here:



Not sure what he means by that, but it does not sound like "secular Americans were actively trying to let Muslim terrorists win and take over the USA."

How in seven hells does a religion "dominate" a "secular atheist country"???

 

[Stacko]

I agree there. Actually my reading of his statement is that he was implying that a secular America might lack the will to stand up to radical Islam. Not sure why he believes this.

I don't know if he believes it but it plays into the current make up of the electorate. It's still ugly out there for non-believers in America or even Canada. The religious rank atheists as trust worthy as rapists according to a recent study.

Story.

Many religious people don’t like atheists, and in fact would apparently rate them alongside rapists on levels of trust, suggests a new Canadian study that claims to be one of the first psychological probes into anti-atheist prejudice.

 

[GodMark2]

How in seven hells does a religion "dominate" a "secular atheist country"???

[latex]\begin{align} Secular Atheist &= Not Christian Like Us \\
Islamic &= Not Christian Like Us \end{align} \\
\therefore Secular Atheist &= Islamic\\ \end{align}[/latex]

 

[Travis]

Oh, I think it's a complete misunderstanding. The athiests who are so quick to stand up for the rights of muslims to build their mosque next to the 911 attack site, who are so quick to pounce on any evidence of christianity in the winter holidays....you know, those athiests?

Oh, you mean people that understand the important of Freedom Of Religion and the need for tolerance. Who may not necessarily be atheists.

And I have never encountered an atheist that is against people putting Christianity into Christmas so long as it is not on government land.

The ones who are so quick to quash every evidence of some type of prayer anywhere, but who have a blind eye to muslims on their little prayer rug five times a day?

So........people from some alternate universe?

Wait...."athiest" are just anti_Christian.

An alternate universe where Christianity is the only religion?

I got it.

Thanks. Oh, and no sympathy from me for your current whining.

Do you think an atheist would be more comfortable being ruled by fundamentalist Muslims?

 

[mhaze]

Oh, you mean people that understand the important of Freedom Of Religion and the need for tolerance. Who may not necessarily be atheists.

And I have never encountered an atheist that is against people putting Christianity into Christmas so long as it is not on government land......

Look, don't just repeat sound-good phrases. Think a bit about what you are doing and saying. Here's an example.

I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God

But there are many other examples. The above is the oath of office for members of Congress and for federal judges.

And it's.....taken.....on.....government.......land.....

Oh, you mean people that understand the important of Freedom Of Religion and the need for tolerance. Who may not necessarily be atheists.

So........people from some alternate universe?

An alternate universe where Christianity is the only religion?

Do you think an atheist would be more comfortable being ruled by fundamentalist Muslims?

Please, don't ask ME questions that YOU need to answer. It's your OP. Not mine. I'm only trying to comment on it.

Think it over and consider if it isn't true that (A) in many, many cases, athiests...and liberals, in general...are giving muslims a "free pass" where they clamp down harshly on Christians.

A lot of the anti-Christian rhetoric on this forum is simply hate talk. Deal with it. A lot of anti-muslim rhetoric is hate talk, but a fair part of it is not...it's concern over the fact that islam is a system of government as well as a religion.

 

[gnome]

You mean, atheists that believe that private displays of religion should be protected, and public displays made by the government should not?

I think you're misunderstanding why atheists might object to one display but not another on that basis. Or you're being deliberately obtuse.

A challenge: can you explain what atheists want for "separation of church and state" in a manner that you believe most atheists would agree is accurate? If you can't manage that I would say you don't really understand. Either that or we're all lying.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Oh, I think it's a complete misunderstanding. The athiests who are so quick to stand up for the rights of muslims to build their mosque next to the 911 attack site, who are so quick to pounce on any evidence of christianity in the winter holidays....you know, those athiests?

The ones who are so quick to quash every evidence of some type of prayer anywhere, but who have a blind eye to muslims on their little prayer rug five times a day?

Wait...."athiest" are just anti_Christian.

I got it.

Oh, you "got it" all right. But just keep floatin' that little boat and blowin' bubbles in the bath.

 

[leftysergeant]

Think it over and consider if it isn't true that (A) in many, many cases, athiests...and liberals, in general...are giving muslims a "free pass" where they clamp down harshly on Christians.

Cow cookies. Learn some history.

The banning of school prayer as it was practiced up until the 1960s was actually about defending the rights of both those Christians who disapproved of the practice and those of other on no religion who felt put upon by the government intrusion into their spiritual life. To require a Christian child to pray formulaicly in public is to violate Christ's own instructions regarding prayer. (Auth: Matthew 6:5-6.) It is, of course, impossible to effectively b ar a child from praying exactly as Christ commanded. (Auth: Matthew 6:5-6)

Muslims, by contrast, are required to pray in company with their fellows. Thus, designating a place where they might gather to pray is the only way to not violate their rights to worship. That they are given a separate place, and forbidden to require that any kufir join them protects the rights of kufir and Muslm alike, as required by the First Amendment.

And don't give me any crap about "student organized and lead " prayer being an alterantive. It still distinguishes the practicing Christian from the non-practing or the doctrinally correct Christian. They are praying "to be seen of men" and are WRONG.

In an overly-zealous community dominated by fundamentalists, refusal to participate in the "student lead" prayers can and frequently do mark the dissenter for harrassment and harm by his peers.

I would, of course, stipulate that any school which would prohibit an individual student's saying grace over his lunch, or making the sign of the cross or invoking God by saying "bism 'Allah" over it is going a step too far and prohibiting a private devotion.

Do not worry about the atheists or the Muslims taking over right now. Worry about the Dominionist dirtbags taking over the military academies. Those fools will get us into a holy war if they have a chance. Allen West is more a threat to our religious liberties than is any Sufi imam in NYC.