Ask a Radical Atheist

I guess I'm in the same boat as Piggy, I too am sure that there cannot exist a God. I've no question for Piggy - sorry for butting in - I just want to make a point.

This thread reminds me of something I read in a book a few years back - I'm sorry to say that the title of it escapes me presently. The author too, I believe was a 'radical atheist.' He allowed for advanced life to exist in the universe but completely disagreed with the possibility of an omnipotent God existing. He introduced a scenario that even strained the most loyal believers:

What if a being just appeared before you and claimed that s/he was God?

What would this being have to do to prove s/he was God?

A fairly simple scenario with some profound consequences. No matter what this apparition does, one could postulate that it was an advanced lifeform rather than a God. Of course, this lifeform might just decide to zap your mind and make you believe (and thus make a joke of free will [not that it doesn't raise a chuckle or two anyway]). An observer to this zapping would call a foul and point out that this was the only option open to this 'God,' to prove s/he was a god.

Could such a being prove his or her divinity via rational debate? Methinks not and this is despite the assumption of omnipotence. Omnipotence is paradoxical and illogical regardless as to the setting in which one examines it.

For the theists out there: what would such a being have to do to prove to you that s/he is the God you believe in? (And not for example - some other entity, like Satan.)
 
I think I'd be painted into the "radical atheist" corner as well.

I'm mentioned before that "god" does not exist because, at its nucleus, the word is not a noun, but a conglomeration of (ever varying) adjectives.

Wait...there was supposed to be a question in here somewhere, wasn't there?

Okay. Considering your stance on 'radical/strong' atheism, how would you describe the fundamental slips that weak atheists or agnostics make when it comes to the god concept? And, in your opinion, do you think the leniency towards permitting the possibility of the god concept is one of pseudo political correctness or more a unwillingness to step firmly into the 'hard atheist' line of thinking (or something else)?
 
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What scientific evidence do you have that suggests that there is no god? There's no evidence that I know of that there is one, but is there evidence that there isn't? And why believe in either case if there is no evidence in either case?

I think there is scientific evidence against a great many gods. Zeus for example, or Amon Ra. There is now quite a bit of evidence that lightning bolts are not hurled by any deity, and that the sun is a massive ball of hot plasma rather than a deity.
 
Isn't the Omni-everything, Ultimate God concept fundamentally untestable?

How do you know the Omni-everything, Ultimate God doesn't exist? What if it does, and it intentionally shaped the world for you to not see it, nor be prone to believe in it?

(Hey, I'm on your side. I'm just asking to see how you react, is all.)
 
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Agh. Another thread to see who's the biggest Atheist of them all.

Kind of reminds me those body building contests.
 
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Actually, I'd like to turn that around.
A God is something sombody worships. No more. No less.
Of course this doesn't satisfy the Christian who wants his God to be the thing everybody is supposed to worship.
And just in that supposed to lies the evil.

Anyone who's fool enough to worship Justin Timberlake is free to do so, but she'd better not hit me over the head with her celebrity magzine and tell me I must.


In that case, there can never be such a thing as an objective god, no?

ETA: Fran, I am only 1,54 m tall, so I am the smallest atheist. Woo hoo!
 
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By my reckoning, we know enough now to say definitively not only that God does not exist, but that God cannot exist.

I have followed your posts for some time. I accept that god(s) to this point have been defined by people, and so is akin to literary character(s). I think, "not." I'll even grudgingly give you, "does not." What I want to know is how do you get "cannot?" What is it that we now know that we can say that God (and again with the arbitrary definition problem already brought up in this thread) cannot exist? What rules forbid it?

BTW, Tricky, I loved:

This only works with rational people.
 
Self-reflective sentience and pure objectivity are mutually exclusive.

Like oil and water. But you've reminded me of something I can't articulate at the moment.

Oh yes, Nicholas of Cusa's "Coincidence of Opposites."
 
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The only thing I can say about the OP is that once one takes the step from weak atheism/agnosticism, one is no longer a skeptic, or at least applying the process of skepticism. That said... on to the flirting!

Oh, not me, I'm only 1,58 m tall :)

Hey baby... you like taller guys? I'm only 1.88m. Is that too short for you. :)

ETA: Fran, I am only 1,54 m tall, so I am the smallest atheist. Woo hoo!

I think Eos is about 5' even so she might be the petitist atheist poster here.

This early in the morning, looking at myself in the mirror... The god must be Kali :covereyes

Oh, please disregard my hitting on you above. It's not that I'm not into chicks with ebony skin, but the 3 inch talons and belt of severed heads are a bit of a turnoff. :p
 
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In that case, there can never be such a thing as an objective god, no?

ETA: Fran, I am only 1,54 m tall, so I am the smallest atheist. Woo hoo!

I'm 1.57m, or 5'2". That, and I stated that I have defined myself as an atheist as well as a humanist, a Jeffersonian Christian, and have expressed interest in Buddhism, Shamanism, and Christianity. But I guess I can't beat that.
 
I think Eos is about 5' even so she might be the petitist atheist poster here.


Drat.

I'm 1.57m, or 5'2". That, and I stated that I have defined myself as an atheist as well as a humanist, a Jeffersonian Christian, and have expressed interest in Buddhism, Shamanism, and Christianity. But I guess I can't beat that.


I will see your Buddhism and raise you a Taoism.
 

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