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Merged Artificial Intelligence

Dr.Sid said:
AGI can mean lots of things, but it is still an improvement over term AI, which can basically mean anything, especially if you are in the field for some time. First the field itself is called AI. The old meaning I learned in school 30 years back was a set of problems. Note, not how to solve them. OCR and image processing were traditional AI problems, even when they did not contain neural networks or learning. Then there are computer games, where AI is code which controls NPC, even if it is just going left and right in a loop. Obviously anything neural network related and machine learning is AI, not mentioning LLMs.
So I understand new terms are needed. But I rather had lot more of them with lot more specific meaning.
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AGI is not an improvement over AI, you're using the terms in exactly the same way. All of those uses of AI started out as "let's make [what you call AGI], wait a second, oh no, this is super complicated, let's just start out with [vision|logical reasoning|game agents] and add the rest of [AGI] after we get tenure."

It's the more degenerate use here. The marketing drone isn't referring to AGI as [AGI] and they don't want [AGI], they just want a sexier term to shill their LLMs with now that AI by itself has been widely adopted.
 
Is there any chance in the future for a class action lawsuit, where anyone who has ever interacted with an "AI" by way of feeding it training data involuntarily gets a payout for all the stolen free labor?

I think I'll feel a lot better about AI once all those thousands of billions of dollars are distributed amongs the world's population. And those who emerge out of the ruins of this disgusting and bankrtupted industry can then do it right the second time around.
 
Darat said:
Then I thought - everyone is raving about this new "nano-Banana " image editor - which is in fact Google's new model, so I asked it to colourise the image, be prepared:

WTF!
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Haha .. I've seen some benchmark and it indeed does sometimes spit completely different picture when asking to colorize it. I'm sure AI psychiatrists are already all worked up about this one.
 
Olmstead said:
Is there any chance in the future for a class action lawsuit, where anyone who has ever interacted with an "AI" by way of feeding it training data involuntarily gets a payout for all the stolen free labor?

I think I'll feel a lot better about AI once all those thousands of billions of dollars are distributed amongs the world's population. And those who emerge out of the ruins of this disgusting and bankrtupted industry can then do it right the second time around.
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I'm quite sure this part is well covered by user agreement.
 
Dr.Sid said:
I'm quite sure this part is well covered by user agreement.
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Such agreements shouldn't be worth the digital screens they are projected on, and often they aren't. You shouldn't get to enslave people with a mindless click.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Enslave means something bit different. And if you click mindlessly, don't act surprised later.
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Fradulently acquired servitude then.

It doesn't matter, such user agreements don't meet the standard to profit off of someone's labor. If they want to be protected when they try to defraud people, they should start requiring actual signatures and a notary present.
 
Olmstead said:
Such agreements shouldn't be worth the digital screens they are projected on, and often they aren't. You shouldn't get to enslave people with a mindless click.
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In Copilot it's under the topline "privacy" setting (and it asks you when you first run it):

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It defaults to OFF
 
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Darat said:
In Copilot it's under the topline "privacy" setting (and it asks you when you first run it):

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Such things shouldn't protect the company from being sued for billions, and everyone responsible getting thrown into prison for the greatest theft in the history of humanity, but whatever floats your boat.

I have no illusions that the justice system will protect regular people over capitalistic overlords, so I'm left with the hope that there will be a movement that will mercilessly steal and pirate anything that ever used even a smidgen of AI in its production.
 
Olmstead said:
Such things shouldn't protect the company from being sued for billions, and everyone responsible getting thrown into prison for the greatest theft in the history of humanity, but whatever floats your boat.

I have no illusions that the justice system will protect regular people over capitalistic overlords, so I'm left with the hope that there will be a movement that will mercilessly steal and pirate anything that ever used even a smidgen of AI in its production.
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I honestly don't understand your bitterness. Google provides all sorts of useful products and services for free. They don't charge me a dime to use their search engine. I can look up almost any fact that is known to humanity in an instant. They don't charge me a dime for Gmail, or chat or video calls (or voice-only if you prefer) with my family overseas. You used to have to pay a lot of money to make long-distance or overseas phone calls. They don't charge for Google maps. And many others. I won't attempt to list all of them. If anything, I think I'm the one taking advantage of their labor and ideas that went into creating all of these things, not the other way around. I understand that they are a profitable company, but most of their products and services are free to use for the end user.
 
Olmstead said:
Such things shouldn't protect the company from being sued for billions, and everyone responsible getting thrown into prison for the greatest theft in the history of humanity, but whatever floats your boat.

I have no illusions that the justice system will protect regular people over capitalistic overlords, so I'm left with the hope that there will be a movement that will mercilessly steal and pirate anything that ever used even a smidgen of AI in its production.
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Very confused now - it's your personal choice if you want to let MS use your inputs or not, on what bases would you be suing them for using your inputs if you've agreed to let them use your inputs? (They do default to "off".)
 
Puppycow said:
I honestly don't understand your bitterness. Google provides all sorts of useful products and services for free. They don't charge me a dime to use their search engine. I can look up almost any fact that is known to humanity in an instant. They don't charge me a dime for Gmail, or chat or video calls (or voice-only if you prefer) with my family overseas. You used to have to pay a lot of money to make long-distance or overseas phone calls. They don't charge for Google maps. And many others. I won't attempt to list all of them. If anything, I think I'm the one taking advantage of their labor and ideas that went into creating all of these things, not the other way around. I understand that they are a profitable company, but most of their products and services are free to use for the end user.
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Wikipedia manages to provide information as a non-profit. As a pathological shut-in, I can't comment on the rest.

The fact that you think you're the one taking advantage means that they've already won. Their products and services certainly aren't free, unless all you care about is the exchange of money.
 
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Darat said:
Very confused now - it's your personal choice if you want to let MS use your inputs or not, on what bases would you be suing them for using your inputs if you've agreed to let them use your inputs? (They do default to "off".)
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In this specific instance, I wouldn't be suing them, but anyone who has selected that option without knowing how exactly MS is profiting should, as that part has not been presented to users in a way that makes the exploitation of labor obvious.
 
Darat said:
In Copilot it's under the topline "privacy" setting (and it asks you when you first run it):

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It defaults to OFF
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There's one thing I feel I ought to point out here, a little sleight of hand. You're looking at the privacy screen, but you're only seeing personalization toggles. Whether that third toggle is on or off, it's implied that memory from conversations, Bing and MSN activity, and any inferred interests will still be collected and used to personally profile you for any purpose Microsoft cares to monetize. You only get to choose whether to see the result.

In fairness this sort of dark pattern was pioneered by Google, so it's not like any of the other options will be any better.
 
Puppycow said:
I honestly don't understand your bitterness. Google provides all sorts of useful products and services for free. They don't charge me a dime to use their search engine. I can look up almost any fact that is known to humanity in an instant. They don't charge me a dime for Gmail, or chat or video calls (or voice-only if you prefer) with my family overseas. You used to have to pay a lot of money to make long-distance or overseas phone calls. They don't charge for Google maps. And many others. I won't attempt to list all of them. If anything, I think I'm the one taking advantage of their labor and ideas that went into creating all of these things, not the other way around. I understand that they are a profitable company, but most of their products and services are free to use for the end user.
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My guy. You are Google's product. You are the service Google provides. They invested a lot of effort and resources to take advantage of you, for their profit. There is no scenario where you exploit Google.

Which is fine. Make a deal with the devil if you want. Just, you know, be intentional.
 
Olmstead said:
Fradulently acquired servitude then.

It doesn't matter, such user agreements don't meet the standard to profit off of someone's labor. If they want to be protected when they try to defraud people, they should start requiring actual signatures and a notary present.
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Actually it's gone way beyond that. As soon as you've gotten out of the crib and started crawling they can hit you up for a HTTP 402 response code. Pay Per Crawl
 
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