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"ART" - a One Word Oxymoron

Art is not a one-word oxymoron. One syllable can't be an oxymoron, which is a combination of contradictory elements. Also, your "proof" has some problems with accuracy. The tenth item shown, a painting by "Jason Pollack" is actually by Jackson Pollack; the title, given as "12," is actually 12, 1949; and the price, given as $11,900,000, was actually $11,655,500. christies.com/LotFinder/lot_details.aspx?intObjectID=4288617

The fourteenth item shown, a painting by "Jason Pollack," is again by Jackson Pollack.

I haven't checked the rest of the items, but your source doesn't seem very reliable.

The error in price you cited is 2.012%.

Forgive me. I made the corrections you so lovingly pointed out.

Never look at the big picture. Ignore the dreck, and the outlandish prices paid by Ignorati with no taste. Just hone in like a laser on 2.012%.

I'll just BET you "haven't checked the rest of the items."

You just HAPPENED to select objet d'art numero quatorze, et voila!

Faute, faute, faute!
 
Some of the piece presented certainly *kill* the "you need the context, to have the emotion" meme that some wrote on this forum... I mean.... "Number 12" ? "oil on aluminium" ?
 
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Now "apparently" you think that the gentle fellow who was paid GOVERNMENT GRANT MONEY to put a crucifix in urine, and call that "art" might have been a conservative. Is that correct?

He could be, what evidence do we have either way? I thought liberal/conservative was a political distinction, not a religion. Are you saying that the only way to have conservative politics is to worship Jesus? Jesus' fiscal policies seem pretty radical-left to me. :confused:
 
JonathanQuick, you seem to be a very angry person.

If someone has enough money to spend on a piece of art they like why should it bother you?

Do you think we should all like the same things as you and those things you don't like should be banned?

Sounds very Stalinist for a republican.
 
JonathanQuick, you seem to be a very angry person.

If someone has enough money to spend on a piece of art they like why should it bother you?

You're missing the point, entirely. I'm sure it's not accidental either.

THE point being made is that when anyone can throw blobs of paint onto a canvas, it is NOT "art."

Read that sentence over and over until it sinks in, no matter how long it takes.

My SECONDARY POINT is that taxpayers should NOT have vulgar trash, or whatever YOU may wish to call it, shoved down their throats ON TOP of paying the vulgar trasher for producing his vulgar trash.

Do you have any children? Grandchildren? Nephews? Nieces?

Imagine taking them to the "art" museum for a day. You enter a room and there are five naked homosexuals with sadomasochistic tools, doing whatever they wish. Your youngsters under your charge look on, not knowing what to say or do.

The room monitor does not blink, but tells you "This is art. If you don't like it, leave."

Do you think we should all like the same things as you and those things you don't like should be banned?

Sounds very Stalinist for a republican.

Like whatever you wish. Given that the United States is bankrupt, why should tax dollars be spent on ANY "art" by anyone?

I'm all for eliminating all such funding.

If you think that Stalin is best known for "banning art," why don't you provide some verifiable references to substantiate your belief.

To the best of my knowledge, Stalin was a godless Lefty, like you.
He is best known for murdering 40,000,000 people.
 
....Jonathan, are you sure you aren't doing an artistic version of Poe's law.....?
 
Rightist art
http://www.germaniainternational.com/thirdreichart.html
http://fcit.usf.edu/HOLOCAUST/ARTS/ARTREICH.HTM
http://schikelgruber.net/naziart2.html
:D

To the best of my knowledge, Stalin was a godless Lefty, like you.
He is best known for murdering 40,000,000 people.
Is this the same Stalin who trained as a priest, I'm shocked, why couldn't he have been a catholic like that nice Mr Hitler
:p

Paganini's La Campanella, played by this blind artist is art in the finest, most noble sense of the word.

Paganini , the atheist ??
are you sure
:D
 
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I agree that I don't get super excited when my taxes are spent on things I don't like. Low on that list is jars of urine. I tend to have more of an issue with things like bombs falling on innocent kids on "my" dime.

The rest of your post is just tired. You don't like some artistic expression therefore it's not art. Huh? I'm not a fan of the Edsel or the Yugo, but they were still cars...

I doubt you would have the balls to tell a mentally ill person, a disabled person, or a child that they are not artistically expressing themselves because their art lacks the refined technique and/or style that Rembrandt, Picasso et al displayed.
 
I agree that I don't get super excited when my taxes are spent on things I don't like. Low on that list is jars of urine. I tend to have more of an issue with things like bombs falling on innocent kids on "my" dime.

The rest of your post is just tired. You don't like some artistic expression therefore it's not art. Huh? I'm not a fan of the Edsel or the Yugo, but they were still cars...

I doubt you would have the balls to tell a mentally ill person, a disabled person, or a child that they are not artistically expressing themselves because their art lacks the refined technique and/or style that Rembrandt, Picasso et al displayed.

This
 
Classical art has been corrupted by the contemporary Left.
"Art" is a one-word oxymoron.

Proof:

http://whencrapisart.blogspot.com
The evidence you provide shows that insane capitalist speculators have managed to raise prices for amateurish and naive art to ridiculous heights, and that entrepreneurial artists have found ways to produce large amounts of such works and sold them to eager buyers. I'm not sure how the "contemporary left" is to blame.

For a different view on how "art has been corrupted", watch the video linked to in this thread.
 
Art is whatever you want it to be. All the things you are saying now were also said about the Impressionists when they had their first Salon in the 1890s. They were vilified as 'debasing' art and galleries wouldn't exhibit them. Now the Impressionists and Post Impressionist schools are amon the most highly prized. SImilar things were also written and expressed about the art of the Pre-Raphealites. At the first performance of Stravinski's 'Rite of Spring' his use of dissonance and atonal structures resulted in what ammounted to riots in the theatre.



None of this is anything new. Even the so called 'Old Masters' caused outrage and controversy with their paintings, think of Goya and some of his later works 'Saturn Devouring his Son', 'Courtyard with Lunatics' and 'The Third of May 1808'.

Read 'The Shock of the New: Art and the Century of Change' by Robert Hughes or watch the BBC Series of the same name.

Maybe that will give you a clue.
 
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"Art" is a process -- "the use of skill and imagination in the creation of aesthetic objects, environments, or experiences that can be shared with others" (LINK). That which is produced by this process is called a "Work of art".

When an artist takes a disciplined approach -- from the grinding of pigments, to the crafting of brushes, to the construction of the canvas -- he or she is truly involved in the creative process from start to finish. This is similar to the way a scientist taking a disciplined approach -- from the refinement of mineral ores, to the crafting of test equipment, to the construction of the reaction vessel -- he or she is truly involved in the scientific process from start to finish.

But these were the old ways. IMO, there has been a "dumbing down" of processes involved in the arts, the sciences, and in education itself. For whatever reasons, the new way is to simply copy someone else's process, tweak it a bit, and claim the result as a new work of art or scientific discovery, such as when a student downloads someone else's thesis, paraphrases it liberally, rearrange the paragraphs, and then turns it in as their own 'original' thesis.

IMO, the loosening of the standards of discipline in the arts, the sciences, and in education have led to stagnation of the arts, pseudo-scientific practices and beliefs ("Woo"), and a seemingly endless panorama of diploma mills churning out people who are not ready for university even if the could afford it, or the real world if the could even comprehend it.

This "loosening of standards" is the only liberalism that we need to avoid.

While a Kincade painting may be nice to look at, it's mass-produced quality reduces its intrinsic value -- one Kincade painting is worth no more than the several hundred of its exact copies. That it is called "Art" is to apply a more liberal definition than the one stated in the first paragraph of this post, which would now read, "the use of skill and imagination in the creation of aesthetic objects, environments, or experiences that can be shared with others commercialized and sold to many others".

IMO, while the old adage that, "Art is not art until the artist has suffered for it" may be a little extreme, if taking a more disciplined approach to producing works of art means that the artist suffers a bit for his or her efforts, then so be it. Who needs a few hundred copies of the Sistine Chapel ceiling, anyway?
 
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Classical art has been corrupted by the contemporary Left.
"Art" is a one-word oxymoron.

Proof:

http://whencrapisart.blogspot.com

I'm sorry, but I don't understand your point. I like some of the pieces on that site, some very much, and others not so much. I don't have the disposable income to purchase those I liked, although I have been able to purchase pieces from lesser known artists I enjoy who fall into 'non-representational' categories. Also, some some people have enjoyed and purchased some of my artistic contributions, even though, as 'wearable art', some of it isn't actually wearable.

You must recognize that individual taste varies, so I don't understand why you are so upset to discover that some people have different taste than yours. For one, I am happy to see this, as it means I don't have to compete with the rest of the world when I find something that speaks to me. :). It also means that my own work still has a chance even if it doesn't conform to those who consider themselves the guardians of public taste.

Linda
 
FRepresentational Art declined with the invention of Photography and Video. Impressionism and later Expressionism were attempts to come to terms with this. There is no point painting exactly what is seen when a photograph can do the same. Also the market for representations of mythic scenes of Ancient Greece and biblical scenes dried up somewhat afte rthe 'Enlightenment'
Artists reproduce what they 'feel' rather than what they see.

Art today is the expression of a concept or meotion, it seeks to challenge and expand rather than document and reproduce.

There are still plenty of artists doing oil paintings of landscapes and portraits. If that's what you like then that's ok but don't try to tell me or anyone else what they should like or what we sdhould consider to be art.

Myself I like Hockney, his work from the last few years, the landscapes around the Yorkshire Wolds and Howardian Hills are very good, I have always liked his use of colour and his broad but controlled brushwork. Plus he is a 'local lad' I live just over the hill as it were.

http://www.lalouver.com/html/hockney_07.html
 
I agree that blobs of paint is not art. Lego blocks put together to form a large block is not art. What is the criteria for what is not art? I would say anything that doesn't take skill, creativity or effort, though I'm sure there is some exception to this.

I also don't like that government money is spent on this, but as SatanicSheep mentions I don't like them spending it on bombs and a great deal of other stupid things.

Everything else from the OP can be disregarded.
 
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One persons 'blob' is anothers art. what constitutes 'skill, creativity and effort' is very subjective as well.
 
One persons 'blob' is anothers art. what constitutes 'skill, creativity and effort' is very subjective as well.
Orly?

Skill can be measured by the amount of automated assistance -- a hammer and chisel require more skill to wield artfully than a numerically-controlled stone cutter. Michelangelo's 'David' was crafted with hand tools, even before the advent of steam power.

Creativity can be determined by originality in subject matter, technique and media. Copying the Mona Lisa down to its most minute detail demonstrates lack of creativity, even though the Mona Lisa is considered a masterpiece.

Effort can be measured in man-hours, or even calories. Pressing a button to print out yet another ink-jet copy of a Matisse watercolor takes very little effort.
 
The last picture on my website expresses an "implied set of criteria."
Assuming that picture expresses an implied set of criteria for what you consider good art, I think that means what you like to see in art is one or more of the following:
  1. Biblical themes
  2. Lots of dead people
  3. Flamboyant robes
  4. Well shaped man-legs
  5. ... being preserved by government grants
That last one is striking for someone who has questioned whether any taxpayer money should be spend on the arts and supports this by a blog that shows that $437 855 000 (I am not counting the Pollack "said to be worth $200M") has been spent in capitalist "buyer pays whatever s/he thinks its worth" transactions and 15 000 taxpayer dollars were spent.
 
Nowadays "Support the Arts" means "Donate Money to Art Foundations" moreso than "Feed the Artist".
 

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