Arnold’s Sexual Recall

[Tony]

How is it slander (or libel), Tony? [/B]

She is openly accusing the guy of rape without a shred of evidence.

 

[subgenius]

He's becoming more Reaganesque all the time:

A day later, he was asked about it at a press conference. "I have no idea what you're talking about," he told reporters. "I have no memory of any of the articles I did 20 or 30 years ago."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/08/30/MN256272.DTL

He has early Alzheimer's disease, in addition to Waldheimer's disease (where you forget your dad was a Nazi.)

Just kidding Arnold, don't hurt me.

Edited to add:

You know, I think he just might be lying.

 

[KelvinG]

She is openly accusing the guy of rape without a shred of evidence.

It sounds as though it was a sexual assault or rape because he says everyone jumped on the woman involved and took her upstairs. It doesn’t sound consensual, though I don’t know for a certainty it wasn’t.

She does hedge a little bit at the end with the "I don't know for a certainty it wasn't."
So, I wouldn't say she is openly accusing him of rape. She is saying that it might have been "sexual assault or rape."

However, as a lawyer she should know a little better than to say "It doesn't sound consentual." She might want to investigate a little further into the story before drawing a conclusion about whether this was a criminal act or not.

Allred is a grandstander and a genuine "man hater." This is par for the course for her.

 

[Silicon]

If we can just get Johnny Cochrane F. Lee Bailey and Alan Dershowitz in here, we might make a dream-team of headline chasers.


Just par for the course. In the Circus of the California Recall, the Candidates are the clowns.

Gloria Allred is just sweeping up after the elephants and looking for peanuts.

HEY anyone else notice she always wears RED!!! ALL RED!!! GET IT!!!


YES, GLORIA, WE GET IT ALREADY! STOP WEARING RED@!!!!!!


*cue circus caliope music*




Arnie is a dope, if you ask me. He should have been cleaning out this closet before throwing his hat in the ring.

How? Do what Dubya did.

Cocaine? Draft-dodging? Drunk-driving, getting into an accident and have daddy seal your records?!!?

ASK JEEBUS FOR FORGIVENESS!!!!

Sing wit me, Arnie: "All the taking dope and group sex, and bj's was before I accepted Jeezus as my savior. I am reborn in the spirit of the LAWD!"

 

[subgenius]

I am a feminist.
From the interview there is no evidence of rape.
That's a different issue from what it shows about his character.

 

[Dancing David]

I thought this thread wsa going to be about how the voters of CA were going to have a vote and if a majority of voters said he should change then Maria got to dump him and the voters picked his new gender.

 

[arcticpenguin]

I thought this thread wsa going to be about how the voters of CA were going to have a vote and if a majority of voters said he should change then Maria got to dump him and the voters picked his new gender.

I'd vote for that.

 

[Questioninggeller]

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/41/deadline-finke.php ..full article
Gimme a break, this is bordering on slander.

Here's some more stuff about the issues:

Arnold Schwarzenegger once told a magazine interviewer about participating in an orgy with other bodybuilders, noting that "everybody jumped on" the woman involved and "took her upstairs where we all got together." The California Republican added that not every muscleman participated in the gang bang, "just the guys who can ◊◊◊◊ in front of other guys. Not everybody can do that. Some think that they don't have a big-enough c**k, so they can't get a h**d-on."

Schwarzenegger's lewd talk appeared in the August 1977 issue of Oui, an adult magazine then published by Playboy Enterprises. The five-page Schwarzenegger interview was conducted by author Peter Manso and flagged on the magazine's cover with the headline, "Arnold Schwarzenegger on the Sex Secrets of Bodybuilders."

At the time of the Oui story, Schwarzenegger, then 29, was appearing in "Pumping Iron," a documentary on the bodybuilding circuit. In the Q&A with Manso, today's gubernatorial wannabe spoke about his sex life, drug usage, and belief that men "shouldn't feel like fags just because they want to have nice-looking bodies."


Schwarzenegger even entertained a question about his penis size. When Manso asked, "Is your c**k disproportionate to the rest of you?" Schwarzenegger replied, "Well, that depends on what you mean by disproportionate. The c**k isn't a muscle, so it doesn't grow in relation to the shoulders, say, or the pectorals. You can't make it bigger through exercise, that's for sure." He added that "women have told me they're curious about its size--you know, outgoing chicks who're just trying to be outrageous or horny. I hear all kind of lines, including 'Oh, you're hurting me; you're so big.' But it means nothing. Bodybuilders' c**ks are the same size as everyone else's."

Asked if he felt "exploited" by women who pursued him because of his physique, Schwarzenegger said, "No, I'd feel used only if I didn't get something out of it. If a girl comes on strong and says, 'I really dig your body and I want to ◊◊◊◊ the ◊◊◊◊ out of you,' I just decide whether or not I like her. If I do take her home, I try to make sure I get just as much out of it as she does. The word exploited therefore wouldn't apply." Schwarzenegger later noted that once outside the gym, he forgets about bodybuilding: "I can look at a chick who's a little out of shape and if she turns me on, I won't hesitate to date her. If she's a good ◊◊◊◊, she can weigh 150 pounds, I don't care."

On the practice of abstaining from sex prior to a competition, Schwarzenegger rejected that approach: "I get laid on purpose. I can't sleep before a competition and I'm up all night, anyway, so instead of staring at the ceiling I figure I might as well find somebody and ◊◊◊◊." In fact, at the 1972 Mr. Olympia contest, "we had girls backstage giving head, then all of us went out and I won. It didn't bother me at all; in fact, I went out there feeling like King Kong," added Schwarzenegger.

When Manso asked whether he used "dope," Schwarzenegger replied, "Yes, grass and hash--no hard drugs. But the point is that I do what I feel like doing. I'm not on a health kick."

From
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/doc_o_day.html

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

If I lived in CA, he would have my vote!

 

[Pyrrho]

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[RandFan]

Hi RandFan,

Well, as I say, I kind of agree with you that sexual conduct--if consensual, and legal (i.e. not harrassment, rape, etc)--is irrelevant--or at least, should be irrelevant. (Oh well. Maybe its not too late for AS to run as a Dem? )

The thing is...what can candidates attract votes with? Their proposals (so far he has none). Their experience (he has none). And their character. Republicans often campaign on character issues, morality, etc. and I think that's where AS is headed. This just will make it a bit more difficult.

Personally, what bothered me most about the "Oui" article was his overall attitude toward women ( which doesn't seem to have changed, according to the "Premiere" article and Newsweek and Time's articles about him). That, plus so gleefully cheating his competitor out of the Mr. Universe title, really seem unappealing.

Since Schwartzenegger's "likeability" seems to be his main draw in the campaign--and I don't find his attitude toward women likeable at all--well, guess he's not getting my vote. (But, then, you knew that already, I'm sure. ).

Also, I don't understand how he thought he'd get away with saying, "I don't know what you're talking about" when asked about the incident by reporters on Thursday.

And, RandFan, as a reasonable Republican, what do you think of Ueberroth? It seems to me he should be getting the support that Riordan would have. I can't figure out why he doesn't seem to be getting more attention. Do you ever hear people expressing interest in him?

Clancie,

Thank you for the response. I understand now what you meant. Yes, the points you raise are quite valid and are very relevant.

I don't think that Arnold is the best candidate.

My dream candidate is a moderate Republican who will reign in the Democrats. The Republican party has got to learn someday that the State is very unlikely to elect a conservative. I don't know that much about Ueberroth. I haven't even given him a second thought. From the very little that I have heard he probably would make an outstanding governor.

I have come to the decision that I shouldn't just dismiss all of the candidates besides Arnold. It would be wrong if he won simply because he has name recognition which will probably be the case but that is no excuse for me to vote blindly.

Thank you Clancie,

 

[subgenius]

Clancie,

Thank you for the response. I understand now what you meant. Yes, the points you raise are quite valid and are very relevant.

I don't think that Arnold is the best candidate.

My dream candidate is a moderate Republican who will reign in the Democrats. The Republican party has got to learn someday that the State is very unlikely to elect a conservative. I don't know that much about Ueberroth. I haven't even given him a second thought. From the very little that I have heard he probably would make an outstanding governor.

I have come to the decision that I shouldn't just dismiss all of the candidates besides Arnold. It would be wrong if he won simply because he has name recognition which will probably be the case but that is no excuse for me to vote blindly.

Thank you Clancie,

As a voter, and open to Republicans, you have a valuable perspective.
What candidate do you prefer (since you say Arnold's not the best candidate), and should that candidate withdraw, as all of them are being urged to do, so Arnold can win?
An apparent "anyone but a Dem strategy."
Principle over politics?

 

[Luke T.]

Allred is an extreme left winger. She tried to label Gary Condit as a "right wing conservative."

Arnold S. is running as a Republican. Nothing to see here. Keep moving.

 

[Clancie]

Ueberroth is a social moderate (pro choice, etc) and a fiscal conservative. He lacks government experience, but has quite a bit of administrative know-how. I can't understand why he isn't attracting more attention from Califonria Republicans.

Here's Lou Dobb's interview with him from CNN:

Peter Ueberroth

 

[Questioninggeller]

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Sorry about that, it slipped my mind.

 

[Clancie]

Debate coming up among the candidates. Schwartzenegger won't be participating in it, though, because he's "too busy".....

 

[subgenius]

Debate coming up among the candidates. Schwartzenegger won't be participating in it, though, because he's "too busy".....

Busy learning how to debate, one supposes.
Good argument against electing him and giving him "on the job training."

 

[Silicon]

Uberroth would be the best choice to get California's budget mess in shape. And I'm a Democrat saying this.

But we all know, this recall isn't about fixing problems, it's about the circus. It's about using any crazy political tactic possible to get Republicans in power.

Gerrymander Texas, Impeach Clinton, Recall Davis, have the Supreme Court intervene in a State Election matter...


If you don't win at the Ballot box, do it the Republican way!!!

All bets are off now. Dirty tricks are what rule. (perhaps they just figured out how the old Democratic machine used to work).


And that's why Uberroth won't win.

My money's on Davis or Arnie. Davis because he's not below using some pretty dirty tricks himself. Arnie, because he might become "born again" and wash himself clean from all that sex and dope.


ARNOLD, trust me, REPENT FOR YOUR SINS!

Who wants to bet that Arnie will start talking about Jeezus in the coming weeks?

HEY ARNIE!!! BONUS POINTS: Convert to CATHOLOCISM!!! That way, you get MEGA Kennedy points, PLUS you'll pull HALF of Bustamante's votes from him!

 

[subgenius]

Arnold's Clear Thinking

"I will never take money from the special interests, from Indian gaming, from unions or anything like that," he said.

Mr. Schwarzenegger has reneged on early campaign promises not to accept campaign contributions from anyone. State disclosures show he has collected more than $1 million from companies and individuals with business before the state. "I get donations from businesses and individuals absolutely, because they're powerful interests who control things," he said today.

He declined to explain the difference between special interests and powerful interests.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/02/n...00&en=ecfd6660c427970c&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

 

[Shinytop]

Uberroth would be the best choice to get California's budget mess in shape. And I'm a Democrat saying this.

But we all know, this recall isn't about fixing problems, it's about the circus. It's about using any crazy political tactic possible to get Republicans in power.

Gerrymander Texas, Impeach Clinton, Recall Davis, have the Supreme Court intervene in a State Election matter...


If you don't win at the Ballot box, do it the Republican way!!!

All bets are off now. Dirty tricks are what rule. (perhaps they just figured out how the old Democratic machine used to work).


And that's why Uberroth won't win.

My money's on Davis or Arnie. Davis because he's not below using some pretty dirty tricks himself. Arnie, because he might become "born again" and wash himself clean from all that sex and dope.


ARNOLD, trust me, REPENT FOR YOUR SINS!

Who wants to bet that Arnie will start talking about Jeezus in the coming weeks?

HEY ARNIE!!! BONUS POINTS: Convert to CATHOLOCISM!!! That way, you get MEGA Kennedy points, PLUS you'll pull HALF of Bustamante's votes from him!

Are you for real? The SCOTUS intervened because the state law was not being followed. The law is being followed in California. Nobody made anything up. And Clinton was lilly white and did not deserve to be impeached?

I propose that Silicon be awarded the most whines about the most subjects in one post award by acclamation. Psst, Silicon, that is not a dirty trick.