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Army Strong

JihadJane said:
Getting back on topic,
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What topic? You were too cowardly to ever bring one up.
would anyone like to argue that this emotionally manipulative Army Strong recruiting video presents an accurate representation of what someone recruited into the army will experience in their job?
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So is this your point all along?
 
JihadJane said:
Getting back on topic, would anyone like to argue that this emotionally manipulative Army Strong recruiting video presents an accurate representation of what someone recruited into the army will experience in their job?

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OK sure, I've got 30 years and a Sr NCO

"emotionally manipulative" isnt something unique or invented by the Armed Forces or exclusive too.

The military has long been heavy on pride, duty, honor, country and promoted it heavily. One of the core developmental functions in the military is to heavily instill those values. If you are just now seeing or realizing this- you are about 100 years behind the curve.

heres the key tho in your statement

accurate representation of what someone recruited into the army will experience in their job
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What you "experience" is DIRECTLY related to your MOS ( your job) and the unit you are assigned to and its mission.

What you see on that specific video ( minus the PR shots and admin stuff) are things specific to Special Forces, Infantry ( airborne, leg and mech), Combat Engineers, Basic Training (obstacle course shots), Armor, Air Cav and Air Assault

So, if you VOLUNTEER, TRAIN and QUALIFY in those jobs ( and are assigned to those units)- yes you will do those things regularly

If you are a 71L ( clerk) in a civil affairs unit- you may never see the field. Same thing if you are medical, finance, JAG, Quartermaster and a host of support MOS's and units that are not designated "combat arms" and more specifically "line units"

So, to answer your question

IF you apply for the demonstrated MOS then YES you will do those demonstrated things( and do them FREQUENTLY)

If you are in other type units with support MOS's- then you will mostly have a normal 8-10 hour day and never even see the field except for qualification or other annual training.
 
Toke said:
I read of the Bradley's 25mm cannon using DU ammunition as standard. Since there are no armored vehicles left to shoot at I assume it have been replaced with something cheaper and more explosive.
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true but understand what that means in the military sense

There are "standard" rounds and we have all types of "specialty rounds" as well. ( in SF, we have LAWs that fire grappling hooks and pitons rather than a HEAP rounds and such)

When you see the phrase designed for something as standard- it means the weapon will accept the "whatever" with no modifications such as different lined barrels, stronger recoil springs and such.

That doesnt mean thats what its supposed to shoot at all times.

Ammunition, like everything else is mission specific- if you dont have heavy fortifications, armor and other things requiring kinetic rounds- you dont use them.

I'll give you one example from our ( the spec ops) world

We use the DP sabot in the M82 series sniper rifles a lot when on anti material missions. ( not anti personnel)

1 round in an engine and the vehicle is toast
 
LONGTABBER PE said:
true but understand what that means in the military sense

There are "standard" rounds and we have all types of "specialty rounds" as well. ( in SF, we have LAWs that fire grappling hooks and pitons rather than a HEAP rounds and such)

When you see the phrase designed for something as standard- it means the weapon will accept the "whatever" with no modifications such as different lined barrels, stronger recoil springs and such.

That doesnt mean thats what its supposed to shoot at all times.

Ammunition, like everything else is mission specific- if you dont have heavy fortifications, armor and other things requiring kinetic rounds- you dont use them.

I'll give you one example from our ( the spec ops) world

We use the DP sabot in the M82 series sniper rifles a lot when on anti material missions. ( not anti personnel)

1 round in an engine and the vehicle is toast
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Very true. Like I was telling him though, we shoot a lot of HE nowadays.
 
JihadJane said:
What is the point of your abstract fantasy?

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Getting back on topic, would anyone like to argue that this emotionally manipulative Army Strong recruiting video presents an accurate representation of what someone recruited into the army will experience in their job?

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Would you like to argue that any commercial is an accurate representation of what the buyer can expect to experience ?

Do you think the average U.S. Marine walks around in dress blues, and plays with a sword most of the time ?

Do you think the average Marine recruit goes in, thinking that is what they are going to be doing ?
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Would you like to argue that any commercial is an accurate representation of what the buyer can expect to experience ?

Do you think the average U.S. Marine walks around in dress blues, and plays with a sword most of the time ?

Do you think the average Marine recruit goes in, thinking that is what they are going to be doing ?
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I'm still trying to discern what her exact point is ( other than some lame attempt to slam the military that all liberals loathe)

I've seen hundreds of branch commercials ( not just Army) over the years- they all have the same theme- some of them promote general emotions, some of them focus on specific jobs, some of them focus on education.

As you stated- ALL commercials do this with every product ever promoted. ( how many people really believe something is "new and improved") and marketing companies use everything from bravado, sex, money and whatnot to promote their products.

How many times has anyone seen a commercial that focuses on the negative?

Is the point that recruiters "lie"? DUH, every soldier knows that but they dont "lie" any more than the average saleman. ( technically they dont "lie"- they just avoid the negative and dont tell the entire story- they focus on positives)

Is the point that "every" soldier does those things?

Hell no they dont, I dont have specifics but you can safely say that if you arent in a line company- the majority never will even see it. I would speculate that 75 % of the total army doesnt.

Is the point that they dont tell people up front about combat and the horrors of war?

If a person born since modern communications doesnt have the understanding that the ONLY reason an army exists is to FIGHT WARS and that BAD THINGS happen in war- then I think that person is too stupid to be allowed to serve. The military shouldnt have to tell them- they should already know.

I think the "point" is another generic liberal attempted smear job to try to "expose" something that everybody already knows that wasnt very well thought out and very poorly executed that blew up in her face and she doesnt know what to do next.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Would you like to argue that any commercial is an accurate representation of what the buyer can expect to experience ?

Do you think the average U.S. Marine walks around in dress blues, and plays with a sword most of the time ?

Do you think the average Marine recruit goes in, thinking that is what they are going to be doing ?
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I want to join the ODST. Don't you?
 
Quad4_72 said:
Very true. Like I was telling him though, we shoot a lot of HE nowadays.
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LOL, I'm sure you do

Its a comforting feeling to see Bradleys and Abrams coming in to tear someone a new one.

Whats that saying

"The combat arm of decision"

Tanks for the memories

I'll "tread" on you

( I say that because theres a funny story about my "armor" career)
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Would you like to argue that any commercial is an accurate representation of what the buyer can expect to experience ?

Do you think the average U.S. Marine walks around in dress blues, and plays with a sword most of the time ?

Do you think the average Marine recruit goes in, thinking that is what they are going to be doing ?
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What is the purpose of this advert, then?

People sucessfully recruited into the army aren't buying something. They are putting their lives and future wellbeing at risk.

Does the emotionally manipulative Army Strong recruiting advert present a remotely accurate representation of what someone recruited into the army will experience in their job?

If not, what is the purpose of the myths propagated in the video?
 
JihadJane said:
What is the purpose of this advert, then?

People sucessfully recruited into the army aren't buying something. They are putting their lives and future wellbeing at risk.

Does the emotionally manipulative Army Strong recruiting advert present a remotely accurate representation of what someone recruited into the army will experience in their job?

If not, what is the purpose of the myths propagated in the video?
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You are completely wrong ( altho I dont think you understand that or even care)

What is the purpose of this advert, then?
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Its purpose is to recruit people- it shows a collage of whats available

We "do" have a VOLUNTEER military so you have to advertise

People sucessfully recruited into the army aren't buying something. They are putting their lives and future wellbeing at risk.
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We know that going in. Its been proven in scientific studies that war can be hazardous to ones health. The Army has those warnings posted. I know from personal experience- I have a Purple Heart for it.

Does the emotionally manipulative Army Strong recruiting advert present a remotely accurate representation of what someone recruited into the army will experience in their job?
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Yes- I explained that in great detail- what didnt you get?

If not, what is the purpose of the myths propagated in the video
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What myth are you referring to. Let me tell you how that works ( been a part of many over the years)

They take the PAO types ( called MOPIC's in my older days) and film exercises

They put them together- they make an advertisement

What is this "myth" crap you keep trying to make believe into reality?

If it was a "myth"- dont you think those of us who are IN IT and DO IT for DECADES would see it?

This is where you lose all your steam and your positions horsepower. Many people here are in the system and doing it- we "know" and its obvious you have NEVER spent a day in uniform and really dont have a clue ( much less an understanding) of what you are talking about
 
All liberals hate the military do they? I guess you would say the liberals in the military are self loathing liberals, yeah?
 
Quad4_72 said:
Very true. Like I was telling him though, we shoot a lot of HE nowadays.
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Thanks for the elaborations you two.:)

As for the "Army strong" campaign.

My experience with the requirement videos of my last company suggest that balanced reporting is of rather low priority compared to making a nice show.
We looked at the video on board, and had trouble not laughing at the disconnect between reality and the pretty pictures.
(Like a 1./2. engineer in a clean boiler suit)

The danish army took it to humorous extreme in their campaign for officers school and promised a 800HP company car.
(Under a picture of a Leopard 1.)
 
I'm in the military.

I'm probably lumped in with the liberals, even though I don't hate war and don't protest against it, as I recognize it is sometimes necessary to fight to preserve peace.

I don't hate myself.

That answer your question, back2basics?
 
Sabrina said:
I'm in the military.

I'm probably lumped in with the liberals, even though I don't hate war and don't protest against it, as I recognize it is sometimes necessary to fight to preserve peace.

I don't hate myself.

That answer your question, back2basics?
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Not really. Just wondering what LONGTABBER thinks of the liberals that fight alongside him. Cause he has some serious hate going on towards the version of liberals in his mind.
 
LONGTABBER PE said:
You wont find many "liberals" in the military- they arent enough of them to count
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That sounds bad to me.
In a ideal world the military would reflect the rest of society, that is one of the reasons we keep the draft.
Our current right wing government is trying to cost save it away, they got almost everything wrong.
 
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