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Armidale School has taken 'no responsibility' for my daughter's actions, court told

Graham2001

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The mother of a young woman who slept with five male students has savaged the prestigious private school where she worked for putting a "junior, unqualified member of staff" in her daughter's position.

After 14½ months on remand, the 25-year-old former staff member at The Armidale School may serve no more jail time over the prolonged sexual abuse of boys as young as 15 during late 2014 and 2015.
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https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/aust...ters-actions-court-told/ar-BBN70Xa?li=AAgfLCP


Reading the article it appears that the mother of the accused believes her daughter was seduced by the students she slept with.
 
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Um, why would the school take any responsibility? "Don't have sex with the students" is pretty much a teaching 101 thing that even young inexperienced teachers are expected to know.
 
Seismosaurus said:
Um, why would the school take any responsibility? "Don't have sex with the students" is pretty much a teaching 101 thing that even young inexperienced teachers are expected to know.
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Presumably an employer has a duty to not set their employees up for failure, by sending them into situations for which their experience and training have not yet prepared them. And that seems like a reasonable thing to me.

But for the argument to work in this case, we must assume that a twenty-something school teacher does not have the training and experience necessary to be put into a classroom without accidentally falling onto her students' dicks. Repeatedly.
 
theprestige said:
Presumably an employer has a duty to not set their employees up for failure, by sending them into situations for which their experience and training have not yet prepared them. And that seems like a reasonable thing to me.
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With you so far.

But for the argument to work in this case, we must assume that a twenty-something school teacher does not have the training and experience necessary to be put into a classroom without accidentally falling onto her students' dicks. Repeatedly.
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Exactly.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Well, around here, above 15 would be perfectly legal. Unprofessional, sure.
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Most states in the USA have an age of consent of 16 with no requirement that the people involved be close in age. Though many people incorrectly believe it is 18.
 
Much of the coverage I've seen has focused on the leniency of the sentence. She got two years suspended. A man in the same position would have been in jail.

"If it was a male in the same situation they would have got a much harsher sentence," [Bravehearts founder Hettie Johnston] said.

"We need to take the gender out of this and look at the behaviour."

Ms Johnston said male and female offending needed to be treated the same.

"We can't say that it's less an offence if it's a female with a boy than it is if it's a male with a girl — it defies any kind of logic," she said.

"We have to send a really clear message about adults that have sex with young people and children. It's not okay under any circumstance ever and if you do it you can expect to go to jail.

"I have no doubt that if it was a man in the same circumstances he would be in jail."
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-...nce-for-sex-with-students-inadequate/10225696
 
Dr.Sid said:
Well, around here, above 15 would be perfectly legal. Unprofessional, sure.
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It's 16 in Australia except for SA and Tas, where it's 17 (dunno why), but 18 for when a person in authority (Teacher, Doctor, Religious leader, Boss, Foster Parent etc.) is one party.
 
Seismosaurus said:
Um, why would the school take any responsibility? "Don't have sex with the students" is pretty much a teaching 101 thing that even young inexperienced teachers are expected to know.
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Having never been a teacher or had any teacher training I've still managed to somehow glean that sleeping with your (under age) students is frowned on. It seems strange that she'd missed this while qualifying for the role.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Having never been a teacher or had any teacher training I've still managed to somehow glean that sleeping with your (under age) students is frowned on.
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Having been a teacher for most of my life, I would say that sleeping with 18-year-olds + is frowned upon, too, even if it may not be strictly illegal!
 
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Is she even a teacher? What exactly is a "junior, unqualified member of staff (...) who was 18 when she started working at The Armidale School"?

Unfortunately, when googling "upper class boys taking advantage of maids", the second link is already porn!
 
Graham2001 said:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/aust...ters-actions-court-told/ar-BBN70Xa?li=AAgfLCP
The mother of a young woman who slept with five male students has savaged the prestigious private school where she worked for putting a "junior, unqualified member of staff" in her daughter's position.

After 14½ months on remand, the 25-year-old former staff member at The Armidale School may serve no more jail time over the prolonged sexual abuse of boys as young as 15 during late 2014 and 2015.
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Reading the article it appears that the mother of the accused believes her daughter was seduced by the students she slept with.
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I'm assuming this report is using the usual trick of highlighting the victims' ages at the time and the perpetrator's "now," so she was 21-22 at the time. This earlier report states that the students were aged between 15 and 17, although while the AoC in NSW is 16, it has the usual "position of trust/authority" exception for 16 & 17 year olds.

I can see that someone working in a education setting at such a young age, presumably having only just finished her own education, might skew their perception. She may not initially have fully appreciated that transitioning from student to staff herself meant a whole new set of rules in terms. That said, she should have got the message by the time she was 21-22.

The earlier report claims that she was blackmailed into continuing to have sex with the students, and that one of them raped her twice under such a threat. Text messages between the students given as evidence in court certainly don't paint a picture of them as innocent little flowers. It's a situation that should never have started, but it's easy to see how it then spiralled out of control.
 
dann said:
Is she even a teacher? What exactly is a "junior, unqualified member of staff (...) who was 18 when she started working at The Armidale School"?
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Yeah, I wondered that. The earlier report refers to her as "previously a budding teacher." In the England & Wales a specific teaching qualification is needed to work in the state sector, either a post-graduate addition, or a degree that comes includes qualified teacher status (which Mrs Analyst has). Private schools, however, can hire "teachers" who don't have those qualifications, although they'd usually expect good degrees.
 
dann said:
Is she even a teacher? What exactly is a "junior, unqualified member of staff (...) who was 18 when she started working at The Armidale School"?
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Probably a student teacher.

dann said:
Unfortunately, when googling "upper class boys taking advantage of maids", the second link is already porn!
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You realise that Google search results are tailored according to your search and browser history, right? :newlol
 
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