Arizona secession movement - Baja Arizona?

[applecorped]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/liberals-southern-arizona-seek-form-state-130257516.html

"A long-simmering movement by liberal stalwarts in southern Arizona to break away from the rest of the largely conservative state is at a boiling point as secession backers press to bring their longshot ambition to the forefront of Arizona politics. A group of lawyers from the Democratic stronghold of Tucson and surrounding Pima County have launched a petition drive seeking support for a November 2012 ballot question on whether the 48th state should be divided in two.
The ultimate goal of the newly formed political action committee Start our State is to split Pima County off into what would become the nation's 51st state, tentatively dubbed Baja Arizona.
Backers have until July 5 next year to collect the 48,000 signatures required to qualify for a spot on the ballot. If they succeed, it would mark only the first hurdle in a long, circuitous process that even the most determined of supporters readily acknowledge has little chance of bearing fruit."


Time well spent.

 

[aggle-rithm]

We are witnessing the Balkanization of America.

Not really, though.

 

[KingMerv00]

More like "Haha Arizona", am I right?.

High five!

Anyone?

Hello?

Look, I'm sorry. Let's just forget this post ever happened.

 

[Madalch]

So what would the new map look like?

 

[ftl]

It would be good to have a number of states that isn't nice and round. Then it would be easier to get people on board with DC and Puerto Rico statehood.

I have no idea about the situation in Arizona, though.

 

[applecorped]

More like "Haha Arizona", am I right?.

High five!

Anyone?

Hello?

Look, I'm sorry. Let's just forget this post ever happened.

 

[Moon-Spinner]

Yes, let's start breaking up states into separate political, and/or socio-economic fiefdoms, then people can relocate where they'll feel at home. I personally would move to an Science-based state (our school textbooks will not be affected by what any other state does).

 

[Bilbo]

Fark Baja Arizona, first we should anex Baja California...it has way better beaches, better looking women, and better deals on coke.

 

[jnelso99]

Fark Baja Arizona, first we should anex Baja California...it has way better beaches, better looking women, and better deals on coke.

I don't think that'd be a good idea. It would make it look like America has a tail.

 

[Travis]

I say good luck to them. California has been trying to break into two states for decades.

 

[bigred]

A group of lawyers from the Democratic stronghold of Tucson and surrounding Pima County

Figures.

 

[Verde]

I don't think that'd be a good idea. It would make it look like America has a tail.

We already have Florida, we can't have a tail at both ends, surely?

V.

 

[Arisia]

I wonder if they've been in contact with the Second Vermont Republic folks yet? To start networking, exchange ideas, that kind of thing.



(I do like the flag the SVR people have come up with, tbh.)

 

[CelticRose]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/liberals-southern-arizona-seek-form-state-130257516.html

"A long-simmering movement by liberal stalwarts in southern Arizona to break away from the rest of the largely conservative state is at a boiling point as secession backers press to bring their longshot ambition to the forefront of Arizona politics. A group of lawyers from the Democratic stronghold of Tucson and surrounding Pima County have launched a petition drive seeking support for a November 2012 ballot question on whether the 48th state should be divided in two.
The ultimate goal of the newly formed political action committee Start our State is to split Pima County off into what would become the nation's 51st state, tentatively dubbed Baja Arizona.
Backers have until July 5 next year to collect the 48,000 signatures required to qualify for a spot on the ballot. If they succeed, it would mark only the first hurdle in a long, circuitous process that even the most determined of supporters readily acknowledge has little chance of bearing fruit."


Time well spent.

Is that still going on? I saw one article about it when they first started the Facebook page, but nothing since. I doubt it would ever happen.

 

[Piggy]

I heard a great quote from a BA proponent this morning... he said they were pushing for a breakaway state in order to show the rest of the country that not everyone in Arizona is crazy.

Presumably, the separatists are the sane ones.

Ohhhh kay....

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Yes, let's start breaking up states into separate political, and/or socio-economic fiefdoms, then people can relocate where they'll feel at home. I personally would move to an Science-based state (our school textbooks will not be affected by what any other state does).

Actually, there was a book recently about how that is already occurring in the US. Forget the name, though .

 

[keale]

I don't think that'd be a good idea. It would make it look like America has a tail.

Well it could be a very long schlong

 

[Piggy]

Actually, there was a book recently about how that is already occurring in the US. Forget the name, though .

Well, that was the original intent.

If you don't like your town's policies, move.

If you don't like your state's policies, move.

Diversity of local and state laws is how the system is supposed to work.

The notion of federal uniformity is relatively recent... and not, in my opinion, a good idea.

 

[Finn McR]

Well, that was the original intent.

If you don't like your town's policies, move.

If you don't like your state's policies, move.

Diversity of local and state laws is how the system is supposed to work.

The notion of federal uniformity is relatively recent... and not, in my opinion, a good idea.

I think that this is a really interesting set of comments. On the one hand, I live in the Commonwealth of Virginia (USA) because it is close to my work and, except for pre-enlightenment ideas about gender equality, matches my ideals more closely than neighboring areas (e.g. "gun control"). On the other hand, in this day and age, we can easily travel through five or more states in a day. How many different state laws, let alone local laws should we have to know? It is too easy to inadvertently violate local laws because they are BS. Oh, I have left-over ammo, but *no* firearm, in DC? Oops, broke the law.

 

[Piggy]

I think that this is a really interesting set of comments. On the one hand, I live in the Commonwealth of Virginia (USA) because it is close to my work and, except for pre-enlightenment ideas about gender equality, matches my ideals more closely than neighboring areas (e.g. "gun control"). On the other hand, in this day and age, we can easily travel through five or more states in a day. How many different state laws, let alone local laws should we have to know? It is too easy to inadvertently violate local laws because they are BS. Oh, I have left-over ammo, but *no* firearm, in DC? Oops, broke the law.

Ok, but what's your alternative? One law for all the states? If you're going to do that, then let's be done with the states, and then you'll have no alternatives, no choices. And besides that, it doesn't make sense for Alaska, Hawaii, Maine, Florida, Texas, and North Dakota to have identical laws.