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Area 51

peteweaver

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How about some discussions on Area 51, and the conspiracy theories surrounding it ?
 
Did you know that 51 = 3*17?
And 3/17 is Saint Patrick's day.
And the official color of that day is Green.
And Green is the color used to refer to aliens, as in Little Green Men?

It's all there, people!!
 
Have at it. If you put forth some specifics, you're likely to get responses. Otherwise you'll get posts like this one:

Area 51 exists. Its existence used to be secret. Details of its purpose are still secret, but a general picture is fairly widely known.

What else do you want?
 
Denver said:
Did you know that 51 = 3*17?
And 3/17 is Saint Patrick's day.
And the official color of that day is Green.
And Green is the color used to refer to aliens, as in Little Green Men?

It's all there, people!!
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That was priceless!!!
 
Historic projects related to what is known as Area 51 include Have Blue (precursor to the F117), the U2, the SR71, UAV's, and many other projects. In other words, the do secret stuff there so the enemy (originally the USSR) does not know what is going on. No mystery there. What do you think is going on?
 
van_dutch said:
Historic projects related to what is known as Area 51 include Have Blue (precursor to the F117), the U2, the SR71, UAV's, and many other projects. In other words, the do secret stuff there so the enemy (originally the USSR) does not know what is going on. No mystery there. What do you think is going on?
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It´s like this: developing new aircraft, and evaluating "acquired" foreign aircraft, is a perfectly reasonable explanation for the extraordinary amount of secrecy surrounding the place.

Theoretically, that would also be a very good reason to hide anything else you want to be hidden really well in the same place. So, *if* an alien spacecraft crashed in Roswell in ´47, it would be a reasonably good guess that its remains have ended up in Area 51 by now, even it it wasn´t for the UFO nuts´ hype about the place.

Unfortunately (for the UFO nuts) the problem is that there is neither a theoretical explanation nor empirical evidence for an alien spacecraft crashing anywhere at any time. Until such explanations and/or evidence is forthcoming, it is totally pointless to discuss where these hypothetical alien remains might be kept hidden.
 
Back when I frequented the Bad Astronomy forum, I recall a serious poster claiming to have heard from [insert third-hand recount of third-hand recount] who said that a particle beam weapon installation had been constructed at Area 51 and was undergoing testing there. This person also stated that when being tested, everything airborne had to get on the ground pronto, no exceptions, and that it fired balls of energy - I may be misquoting slightly, it's a long time ago.

More pertinently, I believe that years ago you could stray onto Area 51 territory and get away with a stern lecture from the guards if you were apologetic and convincing enough (and if your camera was well-hidden!). Nowadays, you get arrested, QED. This, I think, is why any current filming of Area 51 is always from a great distance
 
In 1989 a man named Bob Lazar came forwards claiming to have worked on reverse engineering alien technology stored there in a part of Groom Lake known as Sector 4...

He claims that an unexpectedly stable element with an atomic number of 115 was used to provide fuel for spacecraft.
This claim is believed to be a lie, as elements with an atomic number of 115 have been made in conventional physics laboratories, and have a half life of seconds rather than years.

Is Bob Lazar a Walter Mitty, or the real McCoy. Personally I think he's a Walter Mitty, but the Area 51 theories make interesting and enjoyable reading, and I used to be very very into all that stuff.
 
My understanding of Mr. Lazar's situation is that he has claimed to have gotten degrees from CalTech and MIT but no record of that can be found. He then claims that the government erased his record because he went public. He also claims to have worked for the Department of Naval Intelligence which hasn't existed since WW2. There is other stuff floating around about him but most of it is unverifiable like the other claims he has made.
 
van_dutch said:
My understanding of Mr. Lazar's situation is that he has claimed to have gotten degrees from CalTech and MIT but no record of that can be found. He then claims that the government erased his record because he went public. He also claims to have worked for the Department of Naval Intelligence which hasn't existed since WW2. There is other stuff floating around about him but most of it is unverifiable like the other claims he has made.
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ISTR Bob Lazar has been demonstrated to know no physics.
 
the bob lazar issue is easily debunked

if he worked at area 51 he would have signed a nondisclosure agreement

if he violated that agreement he would be in prison

since he is not in prison he has either A: not worked at area 51, or B: not revealed anything he saw or did there
 
defaultdotxbe said:
the bob lazar issue is easily debunked

if he worked at area 51 he would have signed a nondisclosure agreement

if he violated that agreement he would be in prison

since he is not in prison he has either A: not worked at area 51, or B: not revealed anything he saw or did there
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When getting into a "sensitive" program, that document with the word "death if you screw this up" attracts the eye.
Not like your typical MacJob application.
 
I once got told by someone who seemed to know a guy who's best friends girlfriend's hairdresser, that all the sensitve stuff at Area 51 got moved years ago and is now housed under Denver airport.

Given the size of the place you could tuck a Death Star in there, and I swear no one would notice. I do have to say though, some of the stuff happening twith the baggage handling system, just aint natural
 
It's definitely an interesting place, and makes for some very good reading and research. Personally, I don't believe Aliens have anything to do with it though.
 
A high school friend's last Airforce tour of duty was as the "S-4/G-4" with oversight of that facility. Her comment was if there was a secret base, beyond what was suppose to be there - they did without food, toilet paper and just about everything else-unless it was beamed in.
 
van_dutch said:
My understanding of Mr. Lazar's situation is that he has claimed to have gotten degrees from CalTech and MIT but no record of that can be found. He then claims that the government erased his record because he went public. He also claims to have worked for the Department of Naval Intelligence which hasn't existed since WW2. There is other stuff floating around about him but most of it is unverifiable like the other claims he has made.
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That would mean they also got every single graduation announcement out of circulation too....you remember that piece of paper with the list of all the graduates on it that goes to each family.....

right
 
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