Are you sure you're not going to Hell?

[RandFanJr.]

If so, how sure are you?

How sure are you that Hank is not going to kick the ◊◊◊◊ out of you?

How sure are you that there are no invisible pink unicorns?

You may substitute your answers to the above for mine as it pertains to your question.

FWIW, if you send me ten percent of your income I will kiss Hank's ass for you.

 

[Johnny Pneumatic]

The phrase *sending someone to hell* implies that it is a physical locale created by God. Rather, it is a private place filled only with what the individual brings to it.
-Elliot

Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;


16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.


16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.


16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.


16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that [would come] from thence.



you're calling god a lier!?



Proverbs 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.



I guess god wants some to go to hell.

 

[billydkid]

If so, how sure are you?

Utterly meaningless question. I have to assume you are talking about one of the various hells suggested by or inferred from the Hebrew/Christian and or Catholic and or Mormon bible. It always irritates me when people ask question which contain so many assumptions and presumptions as though these assumptions are universally accepted. It's like the question "Do you believe in "God" or not?" I have no friggin idea what that question even means. God who? Maybe if you could add some particulars - give this hell and this God some actual attributes and some characteristics it could be a meaningful question. Do I believe that there is a chance I will go to one of the various places of eternal suffering that some guys dreamed up and wrote about in some book? No, not a chance. Is there a chance that there is more to existence than that which seems obviously real - well maybe.

 

[evildave]

A 'lier', eh?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lier

lier

\Li"er\ (l[imac]"[~e]r), n. [From Lie. ] One who lies down; one who rests or remains, as in concealment.

There were liers in ambush against him. --Josh. viii. 14.

Sounds fair. God just creates tons of traps to tempt people into a 'Hell', and sends them there without mercy when people are ensnared.

Why not? God made mosquitoes and malaria, too.

I feel a song comming on... "All things dull and ugly, all creatures short and squat...."

 

[phildonnia]

Well, we know that the Bible can be trusted since it says so in the Bible. The Bible also has this to say:

"All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again." (Ecclesiastes 3:20 KJV).

I should point out: under a loose interpretation of "dust", this statement seems to be in accord with objective fact.

 

[Abdul Alhazred]

Even the Greeks would say that Zeus is just.

If you force yourself on a woman, it's not rape if you first metamorphose into a bull? Is that it?

Or a swan? I won't even get into that 'shower of gold' business.

What if you metamorphose her into a heifer?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

I don't know, seems like a nice little place.

 

[RandFanJr.]

Well, we know that the Bible can be trusted since it says so in the Bible.

"...this I know, for the Bible tells me so..."

 

[elliotfc]

Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;


16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.


16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.


16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.


16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that [would come] from thence.



you're calling god a lier!?

Abraham is not the chief of heaven of course. This is no doubt how the rich man rationalizes, or experiences his Hell, by confusing God and Abraham.

-Elliot

 

[elliotfc]

Elliot has missed the point completely.
There is no hell. I live my life based on this.

Of course you live your life based on your beliefs. People base their lives on all sorts of beliefs. My only suggestion is that you consider the alternative, for it'll be a shock to you when you find your beliefs are wrong. In such a circumstance I'd hope you accept that at seek understanding and reconciliation. If that sounds like nonsense, and something you would never possibly do, then you can keep the idea that there is no hell for all eternity, you'll be allowed to do that.

-Elliot

 

[Tricky]

Of course you live your life based on your beliefs. People base their lives on all sorts of beliefs. My only suggestion is that you consider the alternative, for it'll be a shock to you when you find your beliefs are wrong. In such a circumstance I'd hope you accept that at seek understanding and reconciliation. If that sounds like nonsense, and something you would never possibly do, then you can keep the idea that there is no hell for all eternity, you'll be allowed to do that.

You should also consider that your beliefs might be wrong. If atheists are correct, you have nothing to worry about, but suppose some other religion is correct and it is Christians that will suffer a hellish eternity? Why should atheists be more afraid of Christian hell than any other religion's version of eternal damnation? I'd have to say that if any religion is correct about afterlife punishment, then it is the "neutral" players who are less likely to get the worst of things rather than the guys on the wrong side.

 

[Dancing David]

If so, how sure are you?

Well considering that I was never baptised and bypassed satan for a bunch of pagan dieties, most of them female. I am positive that I would be going to hell, but there is no such place.
God made me the way i am so I don't worry.

By Bast's breasts and Venus's v*****, Freya's furry mons....

 

[fishbob]

My only suggestion is that you consider the alternative, for it'll be a shock to you when you find your beliefs are wrong. In such a circumstance I'd hope you accept that at seek understanding and reconciliation.

Oh, the cowards argument.

I have better things to do with my time than to squeak around life in fear of going to hell. I have better things to do than strain my brain trying to reconcile a mythology with the real world. My suggestion to you is that you get a life, and stop worrying about what might happen when your life is over.

 

[varwoche]

Maybe this is hell.

 

[Flo]

Of course you live your life based on your beliefs. People base their lives on all sorts of beliefs. My only suggestion is that you consider the alternative, for it'll be a shock to you when you find your beliefs are wrong. In such a circumstance I'd hope you accept that at seek understanding and reconciliation. If that sounds like nonsense, and something you would never possibly do, then you can keep the idea that there is no hell for all eternity, you'll be allowed to do that.

-Elliot

Which alternative ? There are a few thousand alternatives going on at the moment, every single one of them pretending they are the only true one. What makes you think that yours is better, truer, more deserving of consideration ? Why should we spend our lives in fear of any of those fantasies ?

 

[iain]

I haven't been to Hell, but I have been to Hull which probably isn't too different.

If you believe the Chick Tracts, everyone is going to Hell apart from hard-line protestants so if I do end up there, at least I'll have Catholics, Anglicans, Muslims, Buddists, New Agers, Hindus, Pagans etc. etc. etc. to keep me company. How the saved will be gloating as they enjoy our suffering from the safety of Heaven.

Can't see it myself.

(Oh - and if Angel can survive for 100 years in Hell and come out psychologically unscarred, just a little more broody, then it can't be so bad ).

 

[Flo]

If you believe the Chick Tracts, everyone is going to Hell apart from hard-line protestants ....

Wrong. If you believe believers in hell, everyone is going there, except themselves, a precious few members of their congregation (the ones who are not better off in life than themselves), some members of their family (especially the nice cousin who keeps forgetting to ask for repayment of the money she loaned), and their pets (well, not the cat that just threw up in their shoes)

 

[Keziah Mason]

Right, and just which mythology are we supposed to consider as the "one and true WAY(tm)!" when aswering this question?

Personally, I think all of them are bunk.

 

[frisian]

Re: Re: Are you sure you're not going to Hell?

100% There is no hell.

Well that, is so not skeptical.

 

[mstricky]

Last night on the beeb there was a programme about God and many questions were raised. Tens of thousands of interviews had been conducted globally. One question was do you believe in God. The USA survey reported that 76% of Americans believed. I guess the other 24% are on this forum.