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Merged Are you BORN FR33 ?

Many of the responses to this thread were, to be blunt, disgraceful and totally out of keeping with the spirit of this Forum. If you can't post within your Membership Agreement do not post at all and if a subject doesn't interest you do not trash the thread with a load of garbage. I've split much of the rubbish to AAH, the political/taxation derail can be found here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115694
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat
 
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"33" represents the 33 degrees of...Freemasonry...

Okay. In Freemasonry there is no degree level higher than that of a Master Mason which is the 3rd degree. What you are talking about are degrees given by parallel Masonic organizations like the Scottish Rite, York Rite and the Shriner's.

This information is freely available, and it is important to understand that if you are going to criticise such organizations that you must get your facts straight before hand.
 
Agreed. My brief thoughts on the OP:

The vast majority of Masons are ordinary, decent people.

True of pretty much every identifiable group of people.

These are often called 'porch' masons

By whom? Would this be the same class of individual who'd use the term "porch monkey"?

- the shopfront presenting a respectable face to polite society.

Uh...by your own numbers detailed below, the "respectable face" comprises the vast majority. Using your logic, convicted felons are emblematic of society as a whole.

The benefits are generally those of simple nepotism/job favoritism and the satisfaction of serving their community through 'good works'. No big deal. My quarrel is not with these 90% of apron-wearers.

You wanna give some citable examples of the "simple nepotism/job favoritism" that you're personally cognisant of? And why the qualifier arounbd 'good works'? You suggesting they really aren't so?

At the upper levels, however, we find some real movers and shakers:

Care to define "upper levels"? Bit of a nebulous term that.

governors, presidents and other high-level decision makers. As JFK famously stated, no genuinely free society has any use for leaders who would meet shuttered away from the glare of public sunlight.

Uh,,,,you do realise it was Communism of which he spoke? Or are you going to suggest he was really taking a swing at Catholicism in the form of the Knights of Columbus?

At the very least, this breeds suspicion - at the worst it encourages conspiracies running contrary to the public good.

At the worst, it breeds unfounded speculation of the type that's being demonstrated.
 
Free masonry certainly is a modern curse. I had a bit of masonry come free which was a bit of a danger so I called a mason to fix it. He wasn't free, he was bloody expensive I can tell ya!
 
ban freekmasons has not returned. I'm so shocked I could continue to sit in my chair doing exactly what I was doing before.
 
"33" represents the 33 degrees of criminal Freemasonry and we live in a Masonic world under their Masonic laws. Freemasons are the selfish, brainwashed foot soldiers of the Illuminati, they all get a slice of the corruption cake. Masons are the tools/fools to be used by their puppet masters, The Illuminati/ Oil Barons/ Bankers, the world's richest families.

Freemasons are destroying society 24/7 and they seriously don't care. They are only interested in back-scratching and protecting their pretend-brothers at any expense. Sod the planet, sod society, sod the future, we're alright Jack, sod YOU.


With respect, pal, this is a load of absolute mince. Let me give you a simple example:

the Masonic controlled Labour government has changed 3000 laws in favour of the NWO. Your next government is Masonic controlled.

The previous Labour administration may have been many things, however it's rather hard to imagine the Celtic season-ticket carrying former First Minister and his closest colleagues being Masons, isn't it?

Did you know that our politicians swear allegiance to the Queen ? Did you know that our Police Forces swear allegiance to the Queen ?

Yes. So what? Even Alex S. swore allegiance to the Queen, but it's patently obvious that he doesn't believe it or let it stand in the way of independence.

Did you know that the Queen/Royal Family are the patron heads of World Freemasonry ?

As a fellow Scot, I know you'll appreciate this reference:

"Do you have a point to make, caller?"


Use your time wisely on these brilliant Icke, Makow, Jones, Rense, etc, forums and websites. This evil system is working on the kids at school as you read this. Get focused and use each other to find ways to educate each other to "Stop The Madness".

Please tell me that you're not Scottish. It would be a damning indictment of our once-proud educational system.
 
"33" represents the 33 degrees of criminal Freemasonry and we live in a Masonic world under their Masonic laws. Freemasons are the selfish, brainwashed foot soldiers of the Illuminati, they all get a slice of the corruption cake. Masons are the tools/fools to be used by their puppet masters, The Illuminati/ Oil Barons/ Bankers, the world's richest families.

Freemasons are destroying society 24/7 and they seriously don't care. They are only interested in back-scratching and protecting their pretend-brothers at any expense. Sod the planet, sod society, sod the future, we're alright Jack, sod YOU.

In the last ten years, the Masonic controlled Labour government has changed 3000 laws in favour of the NWO. Your next government is Masonic controlled. They have programmed you to accept this. They have dumbed you down. In return, we get their controlled media, computer games and stupid sports events. This in turn is designed to get more of your hard earned cash. It also keeps you dumbed down further. You don't get time to think as you are stuck in their mortgage or debt traps. EVERYTHING is manipulated by "THEM".

You are born into a Masonic prison. You are a born tax generator to their corrupt system. You are so blinkered, you pay them to do this. We all pay our taxes into a great big pot and when the criminals take their share, the rest of us fight for the pittance that's left.

Did you know that our politicians swear allegiance to the Queen ? Did you know that our Police Forces swear allegiance to the Queen ? Did you know that the Queen/Royal Family are the patron heads of World Freemasonry ? The Judiciary, NHS, Military, etc, are all infested with this human virus. This is ludicrous, we all pay the taxes/wages for criminals to control us.

We are all being controlled by a criminal organisation called Freemasonry and they also use the name "Common Purpose" (+ hundreds more names)

Freemasonry portrays itself as a wonderful, charitable fraternity of men. Why are they all hiding? Why do they all deny their membership? Why do they all use aliases. Why are they all prolific liars? Why do adults have to have secrets in this modern world ? etc.

Freemasonry is a fantastic network/system of ears and eyes. But it is used for extreme evil and control. If it's really all good, why can't it be done for free ? Why can't it be done for everyone in every community ? Why can't we have a public register of these good? people ? Why can't we be allowed to independently investigate THEM? After all, if they a good charitable organisation, they won't mind. What have they got to hide ?

We hate to depress you further, but when are you going to wake up? There is only ONE problem and it's "Freemasonry". Use your time wisely on these brilliant Icke, Makow, Jones, Rense, etc, forums and websites. This evil system is working on the kids at school as you read this. Get focused and use each other to find ways to educate each other to "Stop The Madness".

Please copy this everywhere to everyone. If you do nothing today, they win.

Joe Stirling (Veteran victim of Freekmasonry) I/we are sitting here with the evidence to bring them down but the elite won't let it happen.


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Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LibraryLady

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I do not hate Masons or anybody, only ignorance and evil.
What do you have against people who ride tiny motorcycles and drink and throw-up at their conventions?
 
Please tell me that you're not Scottish. It would be a damning indictment of our once-proud educational system.

Yea. I'm beginning to suspect he's American; I'm used to damning indictments of OUR once-proud educational system. ;)
 
Did you know that our politicians swear allegiance to the Queen ? Did you know that our Police Forces swear allegiance to the Queen ?

This is the first time I have heard of someone express surprise that the Queen is, well, the Queen.
 
IIRC Canadien public servants still swear allegiance to the Queen, and she is still technically their monarch.
 
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IIRC Canadien public servants still swear allegiance to the Queen, and she is still technically their monarch.

The military and the RCMP might. I do not recall doing so when I was hired by Transport Canada , but it was almost 30 years ago.

nit pick -- It's "Canadian" unless you are French, in which case it would be "Canadienne".
 
The military and the RCMP might. I do not recall doing so when I was hired by Transport Canada , but it was almost 30 years ago.

nit pick -- It's "Canadian" unless you are French, in which case it would be "Canadienne".
I did a little reading.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(Canada)
The following is a list of persons in Canada who must take the Oath of Allegiance before occupying a governmental, military, police, or judicial post. Generally, these persons are appointed by the monarch or relevant viceroy, meaning they serve at Her Majesty's pleasure, and are charged with creating or administering the law.


Federal
Governor General of Canada
Supreme Court of Canada Justices
Federal Court Judges
Federal Court of Appeal Judges
Senators
Members of Parliament
Canadian Forces recruits
Royal Canadian Mounted Police recruits

Provincial
Lieutenant Governors
Superior Court Justices
Appelate Court Judges
Provincial Court Judges
Members of Legislative Assemblies, Members of Provincial Parliament, Members of the National Assembly, and Members of the House of Assembly
Ontario Provincial Police recruits (optional)

Variants
Members of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada
New Canadian citizens

Voluntary organizations
Canadian Bar Association members

The Public Service Modernization Act in 2003, removed the necessity for bureaucratic civil servants to take the oath to their employer.
 
OK, have read your posts. How and where can we present our concrete evidence ? without any Masonic intervention.

Any sensible suggestions please.
 

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