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Are Truthers "Jihad Apologists"?

many if not all Truthers disregard all terorrist acts as inside jobs or CIA/Mossad false-flag attacks.


..though some Truthers and other CTists ony suggest the BIG terror attacks are fakes, but the little ones are real.

either way, this removes any responsibility from the real perpetraitors. and it may convince some people in the nations where the attacks took place not to be mad at the attackers, but instead be mad at the USA and Israel.....and maybe even feel that Al Qaeda and other groups are the real victims here.

so yes, in this sense, many 9-11 Truthers are indeed "Jihad Apologists".
 
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I've mentioned this before, but I think it bears repeating. My hypothesis is that truthers are motivated by the need to level the playing field. Here they are, nameless, voiceless, powerless, seemingly sentenced to a lifetime of observing the world go by and never participating. Then comes along the CT mindset, and suddenly they aren't so insignificant after all.

The people in power whose names and faces are all over the news? They're really corrupt and evil, so they aren't so special after all.

The victims of terrorism that get so much attention because everyone feels sorry for them? They're just government employees hired to play the part.

Those scary Muslim extremists? Not so scary after all. In fact, they don't even exist.

If you can believe this, then it makes you feel a lot better about yourself, especially if you have a paper route and still live in your mother's basement.
 
I think you're giving them too much credit. Most seem incapable of looking more than one step into something let alone thinking of what their beliefs imply (like it or not).

So in a way they are apologists even though most are just way too stupid to realize it.

This.

I was just thinking the same thing yesterday, when reading this thread:

FBI: 100% Chance of WMD Attack on America

(These people are all truthers of some sort.)

One quote in particular:

"Yes... sure... and their certainty is telling regarding their preventive practices against so-called 'terrorism', isn't it... "
 
To bring this one back to life, here's a recent quote from one of my Facebook Truther friends,
It's only when the U.S. Military invades America that Americans will finally become Anti-War...
He said this. It is not a quote. If anyone wants to know the name of this guy, send me a pm.
 
Yes, all Truthers are Jihadists! It stands to reason, innit?


To bring this one back to life, here's a recent quote from one of my Facebook Truther friends,

It's only when the U.S. Military invades America that Americans will finally become Anti-War...

Bur the US military has already invaded America. It's spending all its money.

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many if not all Truthers disregard all terorrist acts as inside jobs or CIA/Mossad false-flag attacks.


..though some Truthers and other CTists ony suggest the BIG terror attacks are fakes, but the little ones are real.

either way, this removes any responsibility from the real perpetraitors. and it may convince some people in the nations where the attacks took place not to be mad at the attackers, but instead be mad at the USA and Israel.....and maybe even feel that Al Qaeda and other groups are the real victims here.

so yes, in this sense, many 9-11 Truthers are indeed "Jihad Apologists".

Why does anybody have to be mad at anybody? Emotions are propaganda food.
 
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To bring this one back to life, here's a recent quote from one of my Facebook Truther friends,

Quote:
It's only when the U.S. Military invades America that Americans will finally become Anti-War...


He said this. It is not a quote. If anyone wants to know the name of this guy, send me a pm.


Not quite a smoking gun nor does it relate directory to my OP.

Truthers seem to believe there is no terrorist attack that was not a false flag operation or that terrorist organizations if they exist are actually the creation of the U.S. government which itself is merely an arm of some shadowy international NWO elite.

Truther actually see themselves as patriotic. While I don't think you can say they are consciously aiding or abetting our enemies in the Muslim world, you could say, as was said of the late senator Joe McCarthy, they couldn't be doing a better a better job if they were actually employed by the other side.


I was asking if anyone could find statements by truthers that consciously condoned or excused terrorist attacks on the U.S. or other western democratic governments. To state my position once again, I see jihad apology as an effect of trutherism, not it's underlying motivation.

As an example of actual jihad apology, I would site Ward Churchill's online essay "Some People Push Back": On the Justice of Roosting Chickens with its infamous "little Eichmanns" characterization of some of the WTC workers killed that day.

Churchill is not a 9/11 truther but was saying the terrorists may have had a good reason for their attack on American civilians and the "push back" was not surprising or unexpected and the terrorists were in effect exacting a form of justice against the U.S.
 
"Deniers" would be more accurate than "apologists." The latter seems to imply that they support their goals, while the former implies that they find them irrelevant.
 
That's what I said in the OP. Jihad apology is the effect of trutherism, not its underlying cause.

To believe otherwise is to believe truthers are in complete agreement with the jihadist world view and are working, covertly or overtly, to support it . In which case they would be saying, yes, we were attacked on 9/11 by terrorists and we deserved to be attacked because of our policies and actions in the Muslim world.

I don't have any quotes (sorry) but I would be in agreement with your point. People who consciously pursue this will rather say that America brought it on itself. Islamists terrorists merely gave the USA a taste of its own medecine, and such.

However the 9/11 CT crowd is large, and my opinion is that many people have not gone all the way down the rabbit hole, esp. on the LIHOP side. They may just believe in tidbits of it. Generally this means that they suppose a certain level of dishonesty and corruption from the USA. While it does downplay the danger of the jihadists (if we LIHOP, that mean it could have been stopped), it does not deny them their role, and it actually reinforce that the USA is a morally corrupt force that will stop at nothing and thus deserve it anyway.

If you would please allow me to go even more general, the logical conclusion -which is sometimes called upon but never materialized (...yet), or that some will not admit to- of a lot of the CT stuff would actually be civil war or terrorism. I know that in America, CT are sometimes embedded with apocalyptic and religious tones.
That does not make them jihad apologists, but you do find apologists for violence that could be construed as terrorism, sometimes dubbed with extremist religious motives. So maybe there's something there... a certain familiarity?

Another thing I might have missed, but maybe a small comparison could be useful, is holocaust denial. As we all know holocaust denial cannot go without nazi apologists.
However there's a difference: they deny the crime, thus of course that means that the Nazis were not criminals.

In the case of the 9/11, no one denies the crime. And despite what I mentioned earlier about LIHOP and MIHOP, the identity of the criminal seems to be of lesser importance to the 9/11 Truthers. Of course you will find a lot of people with an ideological slant and their pet conspirators, some only interested in 911 as another crime to add on the list of whoever "The Man" is in their view, but the real meat of the 9/11 Truth movement is how the crime was done: Thermite or CD, planes or no planes, North or South of CITGO, freefall and/or in its own footprint, softened or melted steel... I am amazed at the energy they will deploy to (badly) explore very narrow technical details. This is what defines the 9/11 Truth, this is how we break them down in categories. The exact identity of the culprits and their motive is of a lesser importance, anything big and ominous can fit.

TL;DR version: I provide no quotes and have honestly no idea if 911 truth is an apology for Jihad.
 
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However the 9/11 CT crowd is large,

the evidence suggests otherwise.

and yes, many 9-11 Truther are Jihad Apologists, but that's only when they know they can't get away with denying that they exist.
 
the evidence suggests otherwise.

I obviously did not meant in terms of population (although, as a recent event, it may (have) be(en) more "popular"), but by the very large scope of competing theories it hosts and the great numbers on degrees you'll find to the scale of belief from "Yeah there is something fishy" to the very bottom, where you argue with John Lear that the planes were holograms.
 
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Walter, I am starting to think this is one of those circular arguments where I can never satisfy you. What kind of evidence exactly would get to you conceed? Are you looking for Truthers to join a Jihadist organization? Are you looking for something that would be illegal in the USA? Serious question - what sort of evidence would convince you? What do you want to see that you haven't seen already?

I have pointed out that significant numbers of Truthers openly talk about how Muslims have been framed. They advocate resistance to the US government state system. Many of them talk in public about how this has to a peaceful resistance, but some are alligned with neo-facsist groups and American patriot organizations. At least one Truther is now awaiting trial on charges of terrorism that stemmed from trying to intimdate police officers and a judge.

In fact, let me take this one step further. If we were talking about Muslims and especially Middle Eastern Muslims saying these thing, would you be so gracious about interpreting their words? Or is it because they're young white Americans that everything seems so silly and non-threatening?

But maybe this is a reading comprehension problem and I can't understand what you mean. Give me a hint at what kind of things you're looking for and I'll see if I can get it.
 
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defending Al Qaeda and radical Muslims against charges of being responsible for terrorism and 9-11, is providing aid and comfort to the enemy.
 
Are Truthers "Jihad Apologists"?

Yes, they are!

They conspire to hide the truth that 19 terrorists hijacked 4 American commercial jets, slam them into our iconic buildings, killing thousands and they let the terrorists & OBL off scott free. They're involved in a real conspiracy!
 
An influential Facebook Truther has this to say about the shooting of Congressman Giffords,
...it was done by the NEW WORLD ORDER - for the express purpose of framing the truth movement!
Another influential Facebook Truther said this about the Clay Duke shooting,
Sheeple are on his page attacking his memory and his family. so please go here and sitck by a fallen brother.

If this was a bunch of brown-skinned Muslims who stand on the street and yell that Bush framed the 911 terrorists, my guess is there'd be a slightly different response here. But because they're white boys from Staten Island, it all seems a little funny.

They advocate violence, but tamper it by saying others should do it. They claim that anyone who does this in their name could not be a criminal. And they make all these claims in support of the idea that somehow, it was not 19 Muslim terrorists who are behind 911. If they were Muslims themselves, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
 
Eschat, who is a Truther, raises an interesting point; if Truthers don't think they are apologists for mass murderers, and instead think they are friendly and happy citizens warning the sleeping masses about their impending doom, does that mean that Thunder and Chewy and I are wrong? Not at all.

first, I do believe that most Truthers are aware they are Jihad apologists. They talk openly about this, and I have supplied quotes posted on Facebook to demonstrate this. They openly advocate violence against their opponents. Some openly call for the violent overthrow of the government. Truthers, such as WTC Dust, believe that a bunch of dark-skinned Muslim just got rounded and railroaded, since nothing like the terror attacks really happened.

But more significantly, Truthers of any sort advocate conpliance with Jihadist. They seek to create conditions in which Jihadist can operate openly and without raising alarm. After all, if it was an inside job, why are we watching global jihadists? There are no Muslim terrorists, not in the USA or anywhere. As such, we should be letting these so-called terrorists in the USA do whatever they want.
 
This is a good point. Thank you for raising it. I know that the Truthers who use Facebook may not seem as important as the Truthers on the JREF, but in fact, they are pretty much the only Truthers capable of doing anything that isn't just Internet posting. Almost all Truther-oriented activities are just posting videos on Youtube or putting up some text here or some other places. The Truthers who use Facebook generally couldn't care less about stuff like this. For example, We Are Change and their allies use Facebook to organize and communicate. They are the only Truther group capable of organizing street-level demonstrations. Not even AE911T has the oragnizational skills of WAC. Dick Gage and his buddies now appear in WAC events - not the otherway around. WAC has connections with neo-Nazi groups and with white patriot groups. Members regularly appear in alternative media, like Russia Today.

So it may seem like all the giant minds of the Truther world are here on the JREF or over on the Let's Roll Forum or places like that. This may be true. Maybe Childlike Empress and Jihad Jane are intellectual giants of Truther World. But no one has the street-level organizational skills of WAC and their allies.
 
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