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Are there atheists in hell?

I do not want to take this thread any further off topic. So I will just say that there are no atheists in an actual hell. Because the spirit world says there is no literal hell. Besides this is the age of reason, and we are on this earth to develop our intelligence at this time. It is not a crime to be an atheist, but it is a mistaken view of the truth.
 
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Again though, there likely is no such thing as a spirit world, or even a spirit. Souls don't exist Scorpion.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Again though, there likely is no such thing as a spirit world, or even a spirit. Souls don't exist Scorpion.
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I attended many spiritualist churches from the 1960's to the end of the 1990's

I had many evidential messages from the spirits of my departed relatives.

It was not all cold reading, as I was often told facts the mediums could not have known.
 
Scorpion said:
The spirit world says that God has always existed. Although that may be incomprehensible to our limited minds.
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Ah, so special pleading. Fair enough.

So, back on thread. Why would the Christian heaven be the real one, when so many others claim they are wrong?
 
Scorpion said:
I attended many spiritualist churches from the 1960's to the end of the 1990's

I had many evidential messages from the spirits of my departed relatives.

It was not all cold reading, as I was often told facts the mediums could not have known.
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I remember your threads on the subject and I respectfully say, nonsense.

What about the problem of split-brain people Scorpion? Do they have two souls? Do we all have two souls but only express one until our brain is damaged?
 
Scorpion said:
Yes it is, I do not claim to be able to comprehend eternity, do you?
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I find it a lot easier to comprehend, not to mention believe, than your mad theories.

Scorpion said:
It was not all cold reading
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No, it was almost certainly warm and hot reading too, plus some intelligent guesswork, topped off with plenty of helpful subjective validation and confirmation bias contributed by you.

as I was often told facts the mediums could not have known.
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There are many ways they could have known them (or at least appeared to you to know them), you just don't know which one they used, and you don't want to know because it would burst your bubble.

I don't know how stage magicians do their tricks, but I still don't believe it's possible to saw a woman in half and her be all right minutes later.
 
Religious discussions here always go to the Judeo-Christian-Islamic Hell, but what of the Buddhist Hell? Any Atheists there?

The traditional concept is that the ego karma of one life generates another ego life after death (Reincarnation). That new life emerges in one of Six Realms:

The Animal Realm
The Human Realm
The Realm of Hungry Ghosts
The Realm of Fighting Demons
The Heavenly Realm
The Hell Realm.

If you build up the karmic legacy of impetuous behavior for short term survival, that karma is reborn as an animal.

If you're a fairly decent, fairly humane, sort of person, the next person will be Human.

Greed, Gluttony, Lust, and Addiction will have your successor life in realm of wretches struggling for scraps of satisfaction they can never obtain. They drift about as ghosts who can't get a hold on any tangible nourishment.

Competition, Envy, Self First, Power Grabbing, Dogmatic Imposition on others, all yield a realm of constant war where demigods battle on the wastelands just outside the borders of heaven.

If you've been an exemplary good person in spite of difficult life circumstances, the next life emerges in a wonderful place of the easy and good life.

The Human Realm is the best place to be to work toward Awakening, though some sects offer a Heaven-light called The Pure Land, where you can meditate without ordinary Human life interrupting. The other realms are just to full of painful distractions and obsessions to be a place one can reflect of reality. Even Heaven isn't optimal because it encourages complacency.

Contemporary Secular Buddhists take these "realms" metaphorically, as characterizing the karma of ones present life and its challenges to Enlightenment.

Got some Atheists in Hell? I'm afraid so, and some in Heaven as well.
One could suppose that some very militant Atheists are in the Realm of Fighting Demons. I don't think we have many Animals here. Though Cats of a sort, yes.


Oh, and there's one more fringe outcome: rebirth as a kitchen utensil, tool, or appliance.
Got any tools here?
 
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Lukraak_Sisser said:
Ah, so special pleading. Fair enough.

So, back on thread. Why would the Christian heaven be the real one, when so many others claim they are wrong?
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As I have said, I walked out of a Christian bible class in my teens because it struck me as untrue that God burns people in hell. Christian heaven is also mistaken. It is just the churches doctrines.

I believe the truth is there are many levels of existence after our death. They range from dark realms to beautiful realms that people would think of as heaven. Spirits go to the place their souls evolution has equipped them for, but it is not for eternity. Lower spirits can climb out of the darkness by their efforts.
 
Apathia said:
Religious discussions here always go to the Judeo-Christian-Islamic Hell, but what of the Buddhist Hell? Any Atheists there?

The traditional concept is that the ego karma of one life generates another ego life after death (Reincarnation). That new life emerges in one of Six Realms:

The Animal Realm
The Human Realm
The Realm of Hungry Ghosts
The Realm of Fighting Demons
The Heavenly Realm
The Hell Realm.

If you build up the karmic legacy of impetuous behavior for short term survival, that karma is reborn as an animal.

If you're a fairly decent, fairly humane, sort of person, the next person will be Human.

Greed, Gluttony, Lust, and Addiction will have your successor life in realm of wretches struggling for scraps of satisfaction they can never obtain. They drift about as ghosts who can't get a hold on any tangible nourishment.

Competition, Envy, Self First, Power Grabbing, Dogmatic Imposition on others, all yield a realm of constant war where demigods battle on the wastelands just outside the borders of heaven.

If you've been an exemplary good person in spite of difficult life circumstances, the next life emerges in a wonderful place of the easy and good life.

The Human Realm is the best place to be to work toward Awakening, though some sects offer a Heaven-light called The Pure Land, where you can meditate without ordinary Human life interrupting. The other realms are just to full of painful distractions and obsessions to be a place one can reflect of reality. Even Heaven isn't optimal because it encourages complacency.

Contemporary Secular Buddhists take these "realms" metaphorically, as characterizing the karma of ones present life and its challenges to Enlightenment.

Got some Atheists in Hell? I'm afraid so, and some in Heaven as well.
One could suppose that some very militant Atheists are in the Realm of Fighting Demons. I don't think we have many Animals here. Though Cats of a sort, yes.


Oh, and there's one more fringe outcome: rebirth as a kitchen utensil, tool, or appliance.
Got any tools here?
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I once asked a trance medium if animals evolve to become human, and she said 'No'. Animals are evolving to perfection in their own right, and humans never come back as animals, as that would be pointless regression. We all evolve together, onward and upwards, and we do not go backwards.
 
Scorpion said:
I once asked a trance medium if animals evolve to become human, and she said 'No'. Animals are evolving to perfection in their own right, and humans never come back as animals, as that would be pointless regression. We all evolve together, onward and upwards, and we do not go backwards.
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Nice, if life were so linear.

But for the record, I'm a Secular Buddhist who doesn't carry on the metaphysical baggage Buddhists inherited from Hinduism.

There's a Shingon Buddhist priest I know who says that Secular Buddhists aren't really Buddhists, because they reject Reincarnation.
My reply: "Very well then, I have no need to be a Buddhist."
 
Apathia said:
Nice, if life were so linear.

But for the record, I'm a Secular Buddhist who doesn't carry on the metaphysical baggage Buddhists inherited from Hinduism.

There's a Shingon Buddhist priest I know who says that Secular Buddhists aren't really Buddhists, because they reject Reincarnation.
My reply: "Very well then, I have no need to be a Buddhist."
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The spirit world teaches reincarnation and karma extending over many, many lives, on this, and other planets. We spent time in the spirit world between incarnations, but eventually realize we need to reincarnate to progress This goes on until the soul reaches a state of grace, or enlightenment. and until all karma has been resolved.
After which the spirit goes on as a permanent immortal in higher realms.
 
Scorpion said:
The spirit world teaches reincarnation and karma extending over many, many lives, on this, and other planets. We spent time in the spirit world between incarnations, but eventually realize we need to reincarnate to progress This goes on until the soul reaches a state of grace, or enlightenment. and until all karma has been resolved.
After which the spirit goes on as a permanent immortal in higher realms.
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Evidence, please.

Also how does this square with the split brain thing again?

Thirdly, didn't you say that the angels of karma make sure you go into the life that you deserve or need? So, who deserves to be murdered as a child? Who deserved to be a victim of the holocaust? Why would Hitler be punished for killing 6-10 million people in the given that the Angels of Karma must have used him, and by extension the Holocaust, to punish the reincarnated souls of his victims?
 
Scorpion said:
The spirit world teaches reincarnation and karma extending over many, many lives, on this, and other planets. We spent time in the spirit world between incarnations, but eventually realize we need to reincarnate to progress This goes on until the soul reaches a state of grace, or enlightenment. and until all karma has been resolved.
After which the spirit goes on as a permanent immortal in higher realms.
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MarkCorrigan said:
Evidence, please.
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Scorpion doesn't do evidence. Or rather he sees the words of mediums as evidence - some mediums that is.

It is most confusing. Although Scorpion admits to having no, or limited, psychic powers himself, he claims the ability to measure the veracity of the readings by psychics.

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We have been here many times before Scorpion. Many times when you are beaten into a corner and slink away. Then you come back once again with the same stuff reheated.
 
Pixel42 said:
Science suggests the multiverse has always existed. Though that may be incomprehensible to your limited mind.
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Well,it would kind of have to, wouldn't it? If the multiverse is everything that ever existed, then the existence of the multiverse is tautological. The only god that can create existence must by definition not exist. Deists get around this by postulating something which transcends existence, logic, evidence and explanation.
 
bruto said:
Well,it would kind of have to, wouldn't it? If the multiverse is everything that ever existed, then the existence of the multiverse is tautological. The only god that can create existence must by definition not exist. Deists get around this by postulating something which transcends existence, logic, evidence and explanation.
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What always gets me is the attempt to explain something they find incomprehensible with something that's even less comprehensible. Scorpion balks at the idea of an eternal multiverse but is fine with the idea of an eternal God, despite the fact that (a) those two concepts are logically identical and (b) the latter raises the additional question of what his eternal God was doing for eternity before deciding to create a finite universe.
 
The more I have read and learnt as I have grown older, the more I am so grateful for the fact that my genetic make-up made me a person who always asked, 'Is this true??'
Lucky too that although a belief in God was firmly inculcated in my childhood, the other ideas of miracles etc etc were taught and explained as moral stories, not real happenings.

The thought that my brain might never have had the sense to discard the final remnants of that belief ... ... well, I just shudder to think of it!
 
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