Are There Any Straight Lines In Nature?

So...

...basalt 'grows' out of some material, not unlike crystals.

Very cool.

I am constantly amazed at what 'nature' holds in the way of 'patterns'.
 
Re: So...

King of the Americas said:
...basalt 'grows' out of some material, not unlike crystals.

Very cool.

I am constantly amazed at what 'nature' holds in the way of 'patterns'.

Actually, Basalt is igneous - that is, it's produced via volcanic action. It's essentially just hardened lava; however, when it dries out, it tends to fracture - "split" - into hexagonal shapes. Yes it is quite weird!
 
Wait...

... so some kind of chemical reaction occurs 'possibly' during a volcanic erruption (I haven't seen these things at all volcanic hot spots), and when it 'splits' or erodes, these are the shapes it makes...?

Where might one see these things? I'd LOVE to see this first hand.

*Did you check out the underwater city in Japan, via my link above?
 
Re: Wait...

King of the Americas said:
... so some kind of chemical reaction occurs 'possibly' during a volcanic erruption (I haven't seen these things at all volcanic hot spots), and when it 'splits' or erodes, these are the shapes it makes...?

Where might one see these things? I'd LOVE to see this first hand.

The particular location in the photos is the Devil's Postpile National Monument in East Sierra, California. The way it formed (and the way many other types of igneous rock form) has not only to do with chemical composition; a large part of it involves the way in which the lava deposit cooled. For example, foamy lava that has erupted and been thrown into the air will cool quickly, and be full of air pockets, thus you get pumice. Lava that stays hot long enough for the air bubbles to seep out, then cools quickly, forms hard and glassy obsidian. In the case of the Devil's Postpile, it was a pool of lava 400 feet deep. It cooled slowly and uniformly, and most important, solidly. As it contracted, it fractured into the hexagonal shapes. Another thing about the Devil's Postpile is that after it had cooled, it was run over by a glacier - that's why in the photos, the surface of the Postpile is not level, but grooved and rounded. Also, the glacier ripped off one side of the formation, so now there's a cliff where the columns are exposed. You can see little bits of columns laying on the ground at the cliff base where the glacier deposited them (and where some have presumably fallen off over the years).

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Another very famous location that features the hexagonal basalt is Easter Island. A few book authors (like Von Daniken) didn't understand that hexagonal basalt is natural, so they used it as evidence that an "advanced civilization" lived there, which cut the rock.

Sometimes the columns don't fracture perfectly straight all the way down, like in this dramatic scene from Iceland:

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Other places with basalt columns are Sardinia Italy, Devil's Tower National Monument in Wyoming (the one from the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind), various places in Oregon, Scotland, and all over Micronesia.


King of the Americas said:
... *Did you check out the underwater city in Japan, via my link above?

Yeah....kind of creepy looking.
 
Those photos are fascinating. While it's difficult to make a good judgement based only on photos (as opposed to being there), I'd say it isn't a spectacular stretch of the imagination to say that some of those structures look manmade. Rather than commercializing the site, they should probably take some time to conduct a more thorough study, so we wouldn't have to simply guess from pictures.

The problem with underwater structures (not surprisingly) is the exposure to water action itself. If the location is in an area where water moves a lot, conclusive signs like chisel marks and paints will have been long since gone. While straight lines and even basic geometric shapes aren't impossible in nature (yes, I've seen the Bimini road and it looks pretty much like beachrock to me), no tentative analysis would suffice in the case of structures like those in the photos.

On an aside....that website! "I keep expecting a similar suspense breaker in the battle of the Vedic transmigration of the soul versus evolution from ooze theories." WTF?
 
'I' am planning to go diving...

...and THIS is my local. My fiancee is a certified sport diver, and has been beggint to try to drown me, so I am GOING, to this stop.

I have GOT to see this with mine own eyes, period end of story.

These structures don't look like the hand of water, but rather the hand of man.

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WHAT IF, the plans are to let a bunch of people go in an out, then the scientists claimed that they 'removed' all the valid evidence, so the place is likely a fake because we can't prove it isn't.
 
In any case...

...they look like an untapped resource to ME!

*Edited to ADD*

Birdbaths...THAT's the big idea!? THAT is pathetic.

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Can you imagine the kind of structural intergity you could achieve, if you employed these things into the design before hand!?

I'd make freaking huge, evil ass look'en basalt cabins & towers.

I'll bet I could make a pretty stout ◊◊◊◊ house, that's for sure.
 
Re: Wait...

King of the Americas said:
... so some kind of chemical reaction occurs 'possibly' during a volcanic erruption (I haven't seen these things at all volcanic hot spots), and when it 'splits' or erodes, these are the shapes it makes...?

Where might one see these things? I'd LOVE to see this first hand.

*Did you check out the underwater city in Japan, via my link above?
Pretty much every solid has a specific crystaline and grain structure. Like the facets on a gemstone, minerals (including iron, copper- elemental metalics) split along the shear lines. Basalt just happens to be a hexagonal extrusion looking crystal. Take one of those columns and break it-you get the original in minature.

To see some basaltic columns, Just cruise across from Armadillo to Albuturkey, NM- The Petroglyphs monument has a fair number, as does the area around White Rock/ Los Alamos.


RW
 
Re: Wow...

King of the Americas said:
:eek:

I am a novice rock collector, and I have seen rocks come in 'sheets', and any number of 'blocks', and even something similiar to that hexagonal spires. But THAT...that is really freaking cool.

I would LOVE to have some of those, TO USE as fence posts.

Check out some of these pictures of the underwater city:

http://www.audarya-fellowship.com/showflat/cat/hinduism/15253/10/collapsed/5/o/1

YOu would like going to Edinburgh,, The castle is on an old volcanic plug and the basalt columns can be seen at various points, and knwn as the ribs of Scotland, also you have another volcanic plug about a mile away at the end of the Ryal Mile, that of Arthurs Seat and especially Salisbury Crags which show the route of the radical road.
 
Not nature specifically, but if you believe that mathematics describe nature, or are nature, then a lot of curves are locally linear for in any given interval.

-Who
 
Whodini: Not nature specifically, but if you believe that mathematics describe nature, or are nature, then a lot of curves are locally linear for in any given interval.
Can you give us an example (with equation)?
 
xouper said:
Can you give us an example (with equation)?

Sure, although I honestly don't know if you are truly curious, or if you are "testing" me to be extremely annoying. :D

f(x) = x^2.

Basically, any function f, where you can "zoom in" to the point (a,f(a)), and it will have slope f'(a).

Another example is f(x) = sin(x), and a bazillion others.

-Who
 

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