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Are the freemasons demonic?

NorthMass

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I don't really know anything about them, some say they are good people others like this site say they are satanic, I have no clue lolz.

http://freemasonrywatch.org/lucifer.html

I also started watching this movie that alleges Jay-Z is a freemason who is demonic, don't know anything about freemasons to be honest. I have an open mind though so I'll watch anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDgUTQYEIas

In part 2 the narrarator alleges that the video of the solider getting his head cut off is the only time in history this was shown on cable television, is this true?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhS8-_KYTBo
 
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Yes.

They're coming for your children, and plan on making a nice meat pie out of them.

Your only hope is to summon a demonic entity with a higher Constitution - like one of the "Old Ones."
 
JoeyDonuts said:
Yes.

They're coming for your children, and plan on making a nice meat pie out of them.

Your only hope is to summon a demonic entity with a higher Constitution - like one of the "Old Ones."
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Making fun of my honest questions is not going to get anyone anywhere, I don't know much of anything about freemasonry, I am just asking questions. For all I know they are the best organization in the world, or maybe they are demonic, I have no idea, I have no idea if these sources are accurate, I am just curious about the subject.
 
Do you mean demonic as in evil, or demonic as in controlled by demons?
 
Sledge said:
Do you mean demonic as in evil, or demonic as in controlled by demons?
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Demonic as in worshipping satan, or at least at the top level some worship satan. Doesn't mean they are evil per sey, it may simply be many masons being brainwashed into worshipping satan for example(hypothetically).
 
NorthMass said:
Making fun of my honest questions is not going to get anyone anywhere, I don't know much of anything about freemasonry, I am just asking questions. For all I know they are the best organization in the world, or maybe they are demonic, I have no idea, I have no idea if these sources are accurate, I am just curious about the subject.
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Oh really? So instead of actually trying to learn who they are and what they do, you automatically jump on the "demonic" thing?

How many freemasons do you know? There's a couple on this board, I'd imagine they'll post soon if they feel up to it.

Besides, for them to be demonic - demons would have to exist. I don't suppose you have a good reason for believing in that possibility?

And for future reference - YouTube isn't a reliable source for anything but 1980's music videos and cats doing funny things.
 
I think there just a club for old guys. I wouldn't trust a Fundamentalist Chrstian websites with a scary black background and no sources. My response to Freemason conspiracy theories is that Freemasons have been around for 400 years and everyone has heard of them, so if they are secretly planing to take over the world, then they are probably the worst conspirators ever.
 
NorthMass said:
Making fun of my honest questions is not going to get anyone anywhere, I don't know much of anything about freemasonry, I am just asking questions. For all I know they are the best organization in the world, or maybe they are demonic, I have no idea, I have no idea if these sources are accurate, I am just curious about the subject.
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On the contrary, it's good for a chuckle and to let you know some at least find these concerns laughable. Take it as an FYI.

Others can also be more helpful. I don't know a lot myself except that most people concerned with Freemason spirituality are hardcore Christians who prescribe to a narrow view of being beset on all sides by "the world," inherently corrupt as it is. Or old line royalists. Freemasons historically supported anti-royalist revolustions, freedoms and constitutions, democracy, equality, etc. Then they got more powerful as this side of things won and spread. Now they're reviled as an insider's power club. They've toyed with unitarian/new-agey/religious interpretations, and do employ symbols that can have occult meanings. If all this means demonic to you, I guess it is a matter of opinion and definitions. I'm more worried about them bombing people just cause they're in power than raising the antichrist.
 
Oh pick me! Pick me!

As a freemason, I can assure you there is nothing demonic about the fraternity. Freemasonrywatch is a fear mongering site that was founded and run by a CTer who is, quite literally, mentally deranged. He has some mental disorders and needs to seek professional mental health.

All of the rituals of freemasonry - the real ones, not the made up ones you find on freemasonry watch - are available to the public. They have been in the public domain since around 1725, and you can buy a copy from Barnes and Noble or check it out from your local library. Or you can find it in 5 seconds on google. Read them - and you'll find that freemasonry isn't nearly as sexy as freemasonry watch makes it out to be.

Its a fraternity based on esoteric philosophy with a bit of charity. Nothing more, nothing less.

PS - Jay-Z isnt a freemason. Thats a conspiracy myth. He knows by using conspiracy symbolism he'll attract the nutters.
 
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NorthMass said:
Demonic as in worshipping satan, or at least at the top level some worship satan. Doesn't mean they are evil per sey, it may simply be many masons being brainwashed into worshipping satan for example(hypothetically).
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There is no "top level" (or "bottom level") of freemasonry. Its the #1 conspiracy myth about the fraternity, that some sort of levels exist- the entire point is that we meet on the same level.
 
Also, Freemasons have been involved in conspiratorial stuff. They live in the world. Duh. Some have hated and mistrusted them. Check "Anti-Masonic Party" in American history, and note that John Adams, its most prominent member, had a royalist pro-British flavor to him.

LiD culd probably help with that chapter, and a good person to talk to, if you're not so creeped out at an actual Mason you have to run for an exit. "Oh my God, they're on the internet now? They're more powerful than I imagined..." :boxedin:
 
Caustic Logic said:
Also, Freemasons have been involved in conspiratorial stuff. They live in the world. Duh. Some have hated and mistrusted them. Check "Anti-Masonic Party" in American history, and note that John Adams, its most prominent member, had a royalist pro-British flavor to him.

LiD culd probably help with that chapter, and a good person to talk to, if you're not so creeped out at an actual Mason you have to run for an exit. "Oh my God, they're on the internet now? They're more powerful than I imagined..." :boxedin:
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*Insert evil, maniacal cackle* YES! The interwebs are the final chapter of our plan for world-domination by FISH FRIES!

It is true that freemasonry has been involved in real conspiracies. Like the conspiracy to overthrow Hitler, or the conspiracy against the British in the Revolutionary War.
 
LightinDarkness said:
There is no "top level" (or "bottom level") of freemasonry. Its the #1 conspiracy myth about the fraternity, that some sort of levels exist- the entire point is that we meet on the same level.
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Then why do people always bring up 32 degree or 33 degree masons or whatever that means lol. I don't believe the organization is bad but I always keep hearing these rumors so I just wanted to see if they for real or not.

So like the 32 degree masons and 33 degree masons are the same? I have heard the claim that the lower-level masons don't know the same amount the higher-levels do, but then again you just said that there is no different levels so that would debunk that claim.

LightinDarkness said:
Oh pick me! Pick me!

As a freemason, I can assure you there is nothing demonic about the fraternity. Freemasonrywatch is a fear mongering site that was founded and run by a CTer who is, quite literally, mentally deranged. He has some mental disorders and needs to seek professional mental health.

All of the rituals of freemasonry - the real ones, not the made up ones you find on freemasonry watch - are available to the public. They have been in the public domain since around 1725, and you can buy a copy from Barnes and Noble or check it out from your local library. Or you can find it in 5 seconds on google. Read them - and you'll find that freemasonry isn't nearly as sexy as freemasonry watch makes it out to be.
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Does freemasonrywatch base its evidence off of hear say from supposed former masons? I've noticed with a lot of conspiracies that this is the case, someone claims they used to be part of something and that something did something bad, etc.

LightinDarkness said:
Its a fraternity based on esoteric philosophy with a bit of charity. Nothing more, nothing less.
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So people just make up this demonic stuff I keep hearing or base it off of hearsay?

LightinDarkness said:
PS - Jay-Z isnt a freemason. Thats a conspiracy myth. He knows by using conspiracy symbolism he'll attract the nutters.
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That makes sense, just draws up attention for himself.
 
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No "former mason" involvement needed. Any time there is a group that meets in secret, is pretty old, and doesn't make its policies and procedures a matter of public knowledge, people are going to make up their own ideas about what goes on in there.

All the more so if they have an axe to grind.

The late-80's early 90's "Satanic Panic" pushed by the religious right saw a whole lot of people claim they were high-ranking Masons and worshipped Satan, etc...all B.S.

Check this website out. A lot of good information there to counter the Fundie Christian smear B.S.

http://www.masonicinfo.com/
 
NorthMass said:
Then why do people always bring up 32 degree or 33 degree masons or whatever that means lol. I don't believe the organization is bad but I always keep hearing these rumors so I just wanted to see if they for real or not.
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Because people would generally rather believe what sounds sexy than the truth. People want to believe that degree numbers equate into some sort of rank, power, or authority. They do not. Never have.

The core of freemasonry is the 1st (Entered Apprentice), 2nd (Fellowcraft), and 3rd degrees (Master Mason). This is the original freemasonry before any side order, and all members reach the 3rd degree in 3-12 months, depending on their lodge and the candidate's desire to advance. Upon reaching the third degree the member is the highest degree in terms of rank, authority, and power. There is no higher degree.

The 32nd and 33rd degrees are offered by one side order of freemasonry, called the Scottish Rite. It is just ONE side order - there are quite a few. In the US, the main two side orders are the Scottish Rite and the York Rite. For sheer convenience sake, the Scottish Rite numerically orders its numerous side degrees (ending in 33). The York Rite does not, although it ends in a degree called Knights Templar. Members join either order based on their preference and a 32nd or 33rd degree mason of the Scottish Rite is no "higher" than a Knight Templar in the York Rite nor is either higher than a 3rd degree master mason.

In fact, in order to maintain membership in orders like the Scottish Rite (which have the 32 and 33 degree masons) you must remain in good standing with your blue lodge (where you received the 3rd degree).

NorthMass said:
So like the 32 degree masons and 33 degree masons are the same? I have heard the claim that the lower-level masons don't know the same amount the higher-levels do, but then again you just said that there is no different levels so that would debunk that claim.
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The same in terms of what? Yes, they are the same in terms of rank, power, and authority - exactly equal. The only difference between a 32nd and 33rd degree mason is that the 33rd degree is by invitation of the Supreme Council to a brother mason who has made extraordinarily contributions to the fraternity or society. Its a honorary degree for doing a lot for your community - think of it as a community service award. There are no "lower level masons" or "higher level masons." Degrees beyond the third degree come from side orders and do not convey any additional knowledge, they simply build upon the first three degrees.


NorthMass said:
Does freemasonrywatch base its evidence off of hear say from supposed former masons? I've noticed with a lot of conspiracies that this is the case, someone claims they used to be part of something and that something did something bad, etc.
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Freemasonrywach bases its claims on debunked hoaxes like the Leo Taxil hoax, which have been proven false for years:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax

The Leo Taxil hoax is the source of these "demonic" claims, which Taxil later admitted he completely made up.
 
JoeyDonuts said:
No "former mason" involvement needed. Any time there is a group that meets in secret, is pretty old, and doesn't make its policies and procedures a matter of public knowledge, people are going to make up their own ideas about what goes on in there.

All the more so if they have an axe to grind.

The late-80's early 90's "Satanic Panic" pushed by the religious right saw a whole lot of people claim they were high-ranking Masons and worshipped Satan, etc...all B.S.

Check this website out. A lot of good information there to counter the Fundie Christian smear B.S.

http://www.masonicinfo.com/
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I second that - masonicinfo is a excellent site. The creator is a very knowledgeable mason. The site is primarily dedicated to explaining freemasonry to non-masons (although masons love to read it as well). Hes done a lot of good and well sourced research, and hes a very humorous writer when it comes to exposing the conspiracy theories and freemason hoaxers.
 
LightinDarkness said:
Because people would generally rather believe what sounds sexy than the truth. People want to believe that degree numbers equate into some sort of rank, power, or authority. They do not. Never have.

The core of freemasonry is the 1st (Entered Apprentice), 2nd (Fellowcraft), and 3rd degrees (Master Mason). This is the original freemasonry before any side order, and all members reach the 3rd degree in 3-12 months, depending on their lodge and the candidate's desire to advance. Upon reaching the third degree the member is the highest degree in terms of rank, authority, and power. There is no higher degree.

The 32nd and 33rd degrees are offered by one side order of freemasonry, called the Scottish Rite. It is just ONE side order - there are quite a few. In the US, the main two side orders are the Scottish Rite and the York Rite. For sheer convenience sake, the Scottish Rite numerically orders its numerous side degrees (ending in 33). The York Rite does not, although it ends in a degree called Knights Templar. Members join either order based on their preference and a 32nd or 33rd degree mason of the Scottish Rite is no "higher" than a Knight Templar in the York Rite nor is either higher than a 3rd degree master mason.

In fact, in order to maintain membership in orders like the Scottish Rite (which have the 32 and 33 degree masons) you must remain in good standing with your blue lodge (where you received the 3rd degree).



The same in terms of what? Yes, they are the same in terms of rank, power, and authority - exactly equal. The only difference between a 32nd and 33rd degree mason is that the 33rd degree is by invitation of the Supreme Council to a brother mason who has made extraordinarily contributions to the fraternity or society. Its a honorary degree for doing a lot for your community - think of it as a community service award. There are no "lower level masons" or "higher level masons." Degrees beyond the third degree come from side orders and do not convey any additional knowledge, they simply build upon the first three degrees.




Freemasonrywach bases its claims on debunked hoaxes like the Leo Taxil hoax, which have been proven false for years:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax

The Leo Taxil hoax is the source of these "demonic" claims, which Taxil later admitted he completely made up.
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Well thank you for the responses, I had no idea about the freemasons coming into this thread really but it seems like the freemason conspiracy theories may simply not be accurate.
 
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