Are Tattoos Proof of a Nazi Genocide?

[Cavemonster]

I'm for real, but for real nefarious purposes, just like what they said about atheists in the 1400's.

You know they said the same thing about Charles Manson. Just because they laughed at Galileo doesn't mean everyone who's laughed at is eventually vindicated.

 

[Slimething]

I'm for real, but for real nefarious purposes, just like what they said about atheists in the 1400's.

Nah, no one's that dumb. Fess up. You just want attention or some joo beat you at something. If you can type, you can't be that ignorant.

 

[Budly]

Well, an Auschwitz tattoo isn't proof of Nazi genocide, though most people think it is. They're called "Auschwitz survivors" but the reason they survived is there was no plan to kill them. How many soldiers who were on the front lines, came back and referred to themselves as "survivors"?

Lots of emotional terms, lots of non sequiturs like the tattoo=genocide, that make people not able to see the holocaust industry, the holocaust myth, which looms so huge in American's minds, that that combined with Christian Zionism makes nearly everyone support massive military aid to Israel so that they can have their neo-colonialism venture there, based on their being the original inhabitants 2,000 years ago, as the bible says.

And because so much money is at stake I wouldn't be surprised if there are even people paid to troll forums and post against posters like me. Posing as middle of the road, liberal, who add lots of strawmans and derisiveness, against anyone who challenges the basis for Israeli colonialism in the Mideast.

 

[lionking]

Nah, no one's that dumb. Fess up. You just want attention or some joo beat you at something. If you can type, you can't be that ignorant.

Unfortunately, from Budly's performance on other threads (where he was comprehensively demolished by the way) he is the real deal, up there with MagZ and Mondial. All three in the one thread. We are privileged.

 

[Slimething]

Unfortunately, from Budly's performance on other threads (where he was comprehensively demolished by the way) he is the real deal, up there with MagZ and Mondial. All three in the one thread. We are privileged.

lionking, don't you think he's just a lost kid? You know, the kind that can't get a girl and blames everyone for it? The guy who misses the ground when he falls? He's seeking too much attention to be intelligent or well-adjusted. Seriously, can anyone be this off-center?

Surely, anyone can figure out that the camps were liberated at a finite point in time and, therefore, there would be survivors (as in, those not yet killed). That they're not important enough to be taken seriously (paid trolls, WTF?). These guys just can't be that insipid. It's against nature, I tell ye.

I think they're a hoax. If they were for real, they'd be off arguing with zoo animals...and losing. They would fear any impending legislation that made it illegal to eat anything smarter than themselves. They'd have to speak in basso profundo so as to be mistaken for men. Nah, that's ridiculous.

 

[Dave Rogers]

They're called "Auschwitz survivors" but the reason they survived is there was no plan to kill them. How many soldiers who were on the front lines, came back and referred to themselves as "survivors"?

One would have to be thicker than pig**** to think that there was no plan to kill soldiers on the front line. What do holocaust deniers think the soldiers on the other side are doing?

The plan simply didn't call for killing certain people yet.

Dave

 

[NoZed Avenger]

One would have to be thicker than pig**** to think that there was no plan to kill soldiers on the front line. What do holocaust deniers think the soldiers on the other side are doing?

The plan simply didn't call for killing certain people yet.

No, no: it's BRILLIANT.

You've seen pictures of all those troops returning home from the alleged WWII, right? But the fact soldiers lived to come home proves absolutely the Germans had no plans to try and kill them.

This so-called "war" everyone talks about was a ruse to make people think bad things about the Nazis.. And somewhere around here, I have a picture of a boy in a hat that proves that.

 

[Dave Rogers]

This so-called "war" everyone talks about was a ruse to make people think bad things about the Nazis.. And somewhere around here, I have a picture of a boy in a hat that proves that.

Well, it doesn't really prove it, but it doesn't disprove it. So, since the so-called 'Second World War' story isn't proven true by the 'boy in the hat' picture, we can conclude that it never happened.

I think I've got neo-Nazi logic down pat now.

Dave

 

[Psi Baba]

Well, the point is that most people think tattoos are proof of Nazi genocide. The general public largely believes that.

Totally absolutely wrong. You seem to have no idea what "most people think" or what "the general public largely believes." You offer nothing of value here.

 

[Psi Baba]

Incidentally, I want to point out that theprestige, TSR, and Slimething have been misquoted in posts #20 (by Dr. Kitten) and #38 (by Elizabeth I). The words being ascribed to each of them in those posts are Budly's word's from post #18. I realize this is a quote-editing error, but I'm sure theprestige, TSR, and Slimething don't want to appear to be uttering the twisted words of a denier. I know I wouldn't. On a topic like this, I think it's important to clear that up so no one gets the wrong idea.

 

[timhau]

They are victims, yes, but not proof of Nazi genocide. That they are alive and have a tattoo from Auschwitz, points to there not being an extermination plan. In a way, they're living proof of that.

They are proof that there was no extermination plan in the same way US death row inmates are proof that there's no such thing as the death penalty in America.

 

[theprestige]

My kingdom for a citation: I know there's a technical document produced by Nazi medical staff and still on record somewhere, that details how few ounces of meat and bread per day should be budgeted to sustain a concentration camp laborer at a certain level of productivity, and at what point their productivity can no longer be sustained on this meager diet and it is more efficient to simply kill them rather than keeping them in the labor force.

If anybody could track this down, I'd be much obliged. I saw it years ago, and can't remember where.

 

[Budly]

The point is that there is an emotional jargon to go with the Woo-locaust. And "holocaust survivor" is one of the terms. The point is that soldiers who really did risk their lives in that war and survived, never came back to their countries and referred to themselves as survivors.

Most people here think that the people from Auschwitz who displayed a tattoo on their forearm had greater hardships than front-line German and Soviet soldiers. Guess what: the people with the tattoos likely spent the war working for IG Farben in Monowitz. They probably got enough to eat the entire time. When Auschwitz was evacuated in January 1945, and they were transferred to Belsen and Buchenwald, that is when the starvation started to happen, in February, March, April. Auschwitz was no longer a camp run by the Germans by then. Camp inmates suffering/dying due to lack of food was likely then. The same thing was happening to the German population at that point. Though in the camps it was worse and epidemics broke out in Belsen.

 

[timhau]

The point is that there is an emotional jargon to go with the Woo-locaust.

You don't say.

By the way, why not call it the Bunnycaust? That sounds so much cuddlier and makes it easier to bring out all the uplifting, positive, and just plain fun parts of the whole shebang.

 

[The Atheist]

I think they're a hoax. If they were for real, they'd be off arguing with zoo animals...and losing. They would fear any impending legislation that made it illegal to eat anything smarter than themselves. They'd have to speak in basso profundo so as to be mistaken for men. Nah, that's ridiculous.

I agree.

The real key to the hoax is Adolf Hitler. Hitler is a hero to Holohoaxers, yet to deny the Holocaust is to deny Hitler.

Ergo, Holocaust deniers are indeed fakers. Unless they aren't Hitler-loving white supremacists, and I've never met one of those to date.

 

[dudalb]

I agree.

The real key to the hoax is Adolf Hitler. Hitler is a hero to Holohoaxers, yet to deny the Holocaust is to deny Hitler.

Ergo, Holocaust deniers are indeed fakers. Unless they aren't Hitler-loving white supremacists, and I've never met one of those to date.

90% of the Holocaust Deniers are Neo Nazi/White Supremists. The other 10% are some extreme Libertarians( it's fits in with there extreme Isolationism and belief that US entry into WW2 was wrong) and the usual gang of idiots who will support any crazy idea that makes them look "Daring" "Anti Establishment" and "Edgy".

 

[HansMustermann]

I agree.

The real key to the hoax is Adolf Hitler. Hitler is a hero to Holohoaxers, yet to deny the Holocaust is to deny Hitler.

Ergo, Holocaust deniers are indeed fakers. Unless they aren't Hitler-loving white supremacists, and I've never met one of those to date.

Actually, there's something more... silly about the holocaust denial.

It's not just the love of Hitler. It's that it came to almost be a synonim for the anti-Israel crowd.

But here's the funny thing: Hitler and the higher ups in the NSDAP actually planned to create a Jewish state and move the Jews there, before finally going with the "Final Solution". Don't think some particular love of them, but basically the idea was one huge ghetto.

The best known variant is probably the Madagascar Plan, though Palestine was considered too at various moments. Madagascar was the preferred variant because of its being an island and they'd be prevented by the sea from coming back.

Really, the key to understanding it all, is that the Nazis wanted the Jews removed from German society. Genocide was an option, but not the first one considered seriously and in a way not a purpose in itself.

(In fact, ironically, none other than Himmler seems to be against genocide in this quote from 1940, "However cruel and tragic each individual case may be, this method is still the mildest and best, if one rejects the Bolshevik method of physical extermination of a people out of inner conviction as un-German and impossible.")

Anyway, the key idea was that the Jews had to go. They can jolly well be somewhere else, just as long as they're not _here_.

In fact Wannsee and the "Final Solution" only happened when it became clear that Germany will never be in a position to do that.

Anyway, Nazi Germany actually planned to create a sort of a Jewish state. A puppet state, make no mistake, but the plan still was to let it largely self-govern (as was largely the case with the ghettos too), and only nominally answer to a German governor.

And again, Madagascar was the preferred variant only because they wanted to prevent the Jews from coming back. If you told Hitler or Himmler or Rademacher (the guy in charge of planning the Madagascar deportation) that you could just let some millions go to Israel and they'll actually want to stay there, they'd have even paid the relocation costs. They were planning to pay for the Madagascar move anyway.

So it's kind of ironic to see the lemmings rush to the defense of Hitler, yet use it as a rallying ideology against something that Hitler himself would have and _had_ approved of, and which was an official directive and had a planning committee at least from 1940 to 1942

ETA: I mean, seriously, in 1940 Himmler discussed his proposal with Hitler of sending the Jews "to a colony in Africa or elsewhere" and Hitler responded that the plan was "very good and correct."

I mean, WTH?

Of course, that would require actually knowing history.

Hmm, ok, so I answered my own question. Never mind

 

[Slimething]

I agree.

The real key to the hoax is Adolf Hitler. Hitler is a hero to Holohoaxers, yet to deny the Holocaust is to deny Hitler.

Ergo, Holocaust deniers are indeed fakers. Unless they aren't Hitler-loving white supremacists, and I've never met one of those to date.

Yeah, I do believe in Hitler. What a deficient human being! He was deranged, sadistic and hateful. Still, he wasn't stupid so why do these so-called Holocaust deniers act stupid? It just doesn't fit.

I see that one of these phonies is using the argument that the Holocaust did not occur because they don't like US foreign policy. Maybe Krakatoa didn't explode either as far as that link goes.

I just find it difficult to believe that anyone can be this inane. I think they're just out for attention and hugs.

 

[332nd]

The point is that there is an emotional jargon to go with the Woo-locaust. And "holocaust survivor" is one of the terms. The point is that soldiers who really did risk their lives in that war and survived, never came back to their countries and referred to themselves as survivors.

What did they refer to themselves as?

Most people here think that the people from Auschwitz who displayed a tattoo on their forearm had greater hardships than front-line German and Soviet soldiers. Guess what: the people with the tattoos likely spent the war working for IG Farben in Monowitz. They probably got enough to eat the entire time. When Auschwitz was evacuated in January 1945, and they were transferred to Belsen and Buchenwald, that is when the starvation started to happen, in February, March, April. Auschwitz was no longer a camp run by the Germans by then. Camp inmates suffering/dying due to lack of food was likely then. The same thing was happening to the German population at that point. Though in the camps it was worse and epidemics broke out in Belsen.

What is your evidence for the bolded statement?

 

[Elizabeth I]

Incidentally, I want to point out that theprestige, TSR, and Slimething have been misquoted in posts #20 (by Dr. Kitten) and #38 (by Elizabeth I). The words being ascribed to each of them in those posts are Budly's word's from post #18. I realize this is a quote-editing error, but I'm sure theprestige, TSR, and Slimething don't want to appear to be uttering the twisted words of a denier. I know I wouldn't. On a topic like this, I think it's important to clear that up so no one gets the wrong idea.

Well, I wondered about that, because I multi-quoted and didn't add names. A glitch in the software, maybe? Anyhow, I apologize to theprestige, TSR and Slimething for even accidentally associating them with such idiocy.