Are men really more violent than women?

[Francesca R]

Ack you got me. I've never seen any evidence. Probably none exists. I must have read it in a feminazi magazine, that's it. Thanks

 

[Tailgater]

How many muggings are by women? How many murders? How much gang violence? How many militias and suicide bombings? Women are certainly represented in all these, but there's really no question that men are involved far more.

Behind every bad man is a bad woman spending the money.

 

[Lonewulf]

Nice to know that "self evident" arguments are still in use, even on a skeptic's board...

 

[Stankeye]

Yes men are more violent in the traditional sense, it's one of the options that we are raised with a lot of the times. If we can't solve a problem through mediation and diplomacy and we feel cornered adrenaline and testosterone will kick in.

The question that intrigues me that has been coming up a lot on radio here is Bullying amongst school age children.

On that issue I think both genders have equal abilities but different methods. Both genders have access to both methods (emotional - physical) but I think they are skewed based on gender.

The question that arises is are they equally detrimental to the person receiving the abuse?

 

[Aerik]

During the chat, it was suggested to me that the stats may be innaccurate because violence commited by a woman (like spousal abuse) is less likely to be reported.

At the same time it's also true that violence against women is vastly more under-reported. But then, did you and this person check to see if whatever stats you were looking at had already taken unreported crimes into consideration? Don't do it twice.

Here is a good example. A man and a woman are at a bar. The woman gets drunk, and takes to man home, where they have sex. Is that rape? They both get drunk and have sex, is that rape? Only the man is drunk and they have sex, is that rape? Men have been charged with rape in all three scenarios.

In the 3rd scenario, you're completely discounting many incidences in which drunk men can and do overpower sober women and rape them. Overcoming the "no" of another person, even if you're drunk, is still rape. There's a reason drunk driving kills are still murder, to make an analogy. And in scenario 2, it's still possible and even common for drunk men to refuse to listen to a drunk woman's clear "no" and rape her. Don't make false dichotomies. Scenario 1 is obviously rape. That you would even ask, is disturbing.

Ack you got me. I've never seen any evidence. Probably none exists. I must have read it in a feminazi magazine, that's it. Thanks

The second you said "feminazi" you lost your place in an otherwise calm thread. Demonizing feminists doesn't help anybody, in fact it hurts everybody. Feminists talk plenty about how cultural misogyny being enforced by gender stereotypes hurts men, too.

Behind every bad man is a bad woman spending the money.

Oh, the old "all women are money grubbing w****s argument, now I missed it. Not. Way to prove you have no place in this thread.

 

[Tailgater]

wow, get a sense of humor.

BTW: It's courtesy to use names when you use quotes.

 

[Tailgater]

In the 3rd scenario, you're completely discounting many incidences in which drunk men can and do overpower sober women and rape them. Overcoming the "no" of another person, even if you're drunk, is still rape. There's a reason drunk driving kills are still murder, to make an analogy. And in scenario 2, it's still possible and even common for drunk men to refuse to listen to a drunk woman's clear "no" and rape her. Don't make false dichotomies. Scenario 1 is obviously rape. That you would even ask, is disturbing.

You missed the part where no one said "no" and many claims on campus turned out to be false. Of course, if you cherry pick the quote from his post (which everyone would have to find, since you didn't link it or even bother to add his name) you have some valid points.

 

[Francesca R]

The second you said "feminazi" you lost your place in an otherwise calm thread.

Godwin

 

[ConspiRaider]

The second you said "feminazi" you lost your place in an otherwise calm thread. Demonizing feminists doesn't help anybody, in fact it hurts everybody. Feminists talk plenty about how cultural misogyny being enforced by gender stereotypes hurts men, too.

Oh, the old "all women are money grubbing w****s argument, now I missed it. Not. Way to prove you have no place in this thread.

Ah HAH!

So first you roust Francesca outta the thread, she is forced to go to the end of the line for readmittance.

And THEN you kick Tailgater out in the blink of an eye later. Now Tailgater has to stand in line BEHIND Francesca to gain readmittance.

NOW I know how Tailgater came to be known as Tailgater!!!!111!!

(Is Tailgater paying you?)

 

[Ikarus]

Yes, men really are more violent than women.

You seem to weigh in on issues in this manner every now and then.. It seems strange to me. You pick a side and you leave it at that. How does this help?

Do you think the answer to the question can be agreed upon democratically or do you expect people to believe you on authority, or is it something else? Do enlighten me, but please use arguments?

 

[Tailgater]

Conspi,

Oh man, that is funny. I'm glad the election is over to have you back.....even though your wrong half the time.

I had a drunk, standing behind Francesca, tailgating, rape joke all worked out, but decided against it. Apparently, those things are not funny today. Along with feminazis, because nazis are only funny when they are singing and dancing.

 

[Tailgater]

I have two boys and one girl. Just from parenting experience, I would that boys are more physically violent. That being said, my daughter is the master at manipulating my youngest son to do her bidding and avoiding direct blame when I'm called in to resolve disputes.

 

[ConspiRaider]

Conspi,

Oh man, that is funny. I'm glad the election is over to have you back.....even though your wrong half the time.

I had a drunk, standing behind Francesca, tailgating, rape joke all worked out, but decided against it. Apparently, those things are not funny today. Along with feminazis, because nazis are only funny when they are singing and dancing.

Everything's jake now, TG. Friggin' election. And yes - I really DID vote for Obama. Hope he's the best President we Yanks've ever had.

Ah yes, the Mel Brooks School of Frolicking Nazism!

 

[Tanja]

Oh well. I posted relevant excerpts from the British Crime Survey earlier today, and nobody commented on that data at all. Let me repeat: the British Crime Survey (largest organised survey of victimisation in the UK) indicates that men are perpetrators of about 87% of violent crime.

Or just continue bickering and never mind the numbers...

 

[Professor Yaffle]

Oh well. I posted relevant excerpts from the British Crime Survey earlier today, and nobody commented on that data at all. Let me repeat: the British Crime Survey (largest organised survey of victimisation in the UK) indicates that men are perpetrators of about 87% of violent crime.

Or just continue bickering and never mind the numbers...

I seem to remember posting the same thing (though previous year, obviously) in a similar thread a while back. It was ignored then too.

 

[Zelenius]

I believe the discrepancy is due to higher testosterone levels in men, although culture may play a role too. Recent evidence shows that broad-headed men tend to be more aggressive than narrow or long-headed men -
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe.../aggression_face_080821/20080821?hub=CanadaAM

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/08/broad-faced-men-are-more-aggressive.html

This is because broad-headedness is probably correlated with higher testosterone levels. Maybe even more obvious is how jaw/chin size, nose size, and the prominence of the brow ridge also probably correlate with testosterone levels(in both sexes), which is why some men obviously "look" more aggressive than others.

 

[Cainkane1]

This subject came up before from a related angle. There are a slew of web sites claiming women are just as domestically violent as men. They base the claim on surveys which treat slamming a door as equally violent as murdering your spouse.

Sometimes the obvious is just that, obvious. Women represent a fraction of violent crimes offenders and men a fraction of victims. Hormones, evolution or sociocultural, take your pick of underlying causes, but the facts are the discrepancy in violence between genders is huge, overwhelmingly supported by the data (if you are honest about it) and OBVIOUS.

My father was a police officer on the Alameda CA police force. He told me that the most hate assignment was to go to a domestic quarrell. he told me that often when they arrived and the situation seemed to be defused the woman would start the argument all over again.

My own experience with my very small (4ft 9 in) tall ex wife was that she would be insanely jealous of women and often make a scene. For instance a fellow worker of hers was marrying an Orthodontist and she was jealous of the woman to the point to where she was called into the Human Resources Office and nearly terminated. She embarrassed me many times before I finally had had enough and I divorced her. She once told me that she hoped the woman marrying the Orthodontist would get raped.

Women can be are are sometimes very cruel.

 

[Tanja]

I seem to remember posting the same thing (though previous year, obviously) in a similar thread a while back. It was ignored then too.

Frustrating, isn't it

 

[Tailgater]

Oh well. I posted relevant excerpts from the British Crime Survey earlier today, and nobody commented on that data at all. Let me repeat: the British Crime Survey (largest organised survey of victimisation in the UK) indicates that men are perpetrators of about 87% of violent crime.

Or just continue bickering and never mind the numbers...

Statistics show that men are much more likely to be accused and convicted of violent crimes. Does this mean men are more prone to violence than women?

What you are posting is numbers that are assumed in the opening line of the op, so anything proving it further is just redundant. No one is arguing that men don't commit more violent crimes.

 

[Tailgater]

Oh well. I posted relevant excerpts from the British Crime Survey earlier today, and nobody commented on that data at all. Let me repeat: the British Crime Survey (largest organised survey of victimisation in the UK) indicates that men are perpetrators of about 87% of violent crime.

Or just continue bickering and never mind the numbers...

Let me add that those numbers do not prove or disprove anything. There are too many other variables to the question. This is very common in the "blacks commit more crimes" threads. Yes, the statistics are heavily swayed that way, but why? Size, environment, economic, genetic? When a poor family is on the edge of ruin and someone has to do something extreme, which member of the household resorts to violence? Is it because they are more prone to violence or because they are the strongest in the household?