Are Jackson Pollock's Paintings Art?

The Central Scrutinizer said:
Not during their lifetimes. Impressionism (Monet) was a term coined as an insult. I suspect the same is true for cubism. "That's not art".

Miles Davis, Coltrane, Bird, etc all got "that's not music". Hard to imagine now.



Dear god no. I hope curators never do this. Because then you'll end up with Elvis on velvet as art. Like music, most people have terrible taste in art.



I wouldn't. I always want to be challenged by the newest works. Just like with music.
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Most people enjoy a warm, sunny day. Others, like yourself, enjoy baseball sized hail. I get what you are saying about being challenged. Being challenged can produce a few diamonds every once in a while. Many dirt clods must be sifted through to find those diamonds. There are many artists who run the fringe of people's expectations. Some of these artists will eventually become mainstream and appreciated widely. Pollock is in a strange place as 99% of the unwashed masses consider his work dirt clods while the other 1% think he's a genius. A good craftsman can build a house that is pleasing to the eye. A good house painter can produce crisp parting lines that are a mark of a job welll done. Pollock's works to my eye show neither craftsmanship or conceptual theme. I would be impressed if a monkey drew them, not so much seeing as a human did.
 
sloinker said:
Most people enjoy a warm, sunny day. Others, like yourself, enjoy baseball sized hail. I get what you are saying about being challenged. Being challenged can produce a few diamonds every once in a while. Many dirt clods must be sifted through to find those diamonds. There are many artists who run the fringe of people's expectations. Some of these artists will eventually become mainstream and appreciated widely. Pollock is in a strange place as 99% of the unwashed masses consider his work dirt clods while the other 1% think he's a genius. A good craftsman can build a house that is pleasing to the eye. A good house painter can produce crisp parting lines that are a mark of a job welll done. Pollock's works to my eye show neither craftsmanship or conceptual theme. I would be impressed if a monkey drew them, not so much seeing as a human did.
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TBFTGOGGI
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
Dear god no. I hope curators never do this. Because then you'll end up with Elvis on velvet as art. Like music, most people have terrible taste in art.
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You need to realize a couple of things:

- Statements like that make people assume fans of modern art are "snobs"

- While you are running around saying "most people have terrible taste in art", they are saying the same thing about you. And you are in the minority.

- Why exactly did you jump right to paintings of Elvis that the "unwashed masses" would want? Did you ever consider that most people would actually be content with a middle ground? i.e. not cheesy like "Elvis on Velvet", but not the type that appeals only to a small minority (like Pollack paintings)? Paintings by artists like Renoir are ones that A: can be appreciated by many of the more discerning painters, and B: would probably be acceptable to a majority of the "unwashed masses".
 
This painting just sold for $179 million. I suspect the lowbrows don't consider it to be art and think the buyer got scammed. :rolleyes:
 

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Segnosaur said:
You need to realize a couple of things:

- Statements like that make people assume fans of modern art are "snobs"
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I hope so. Why wouldn't someone want to be a snob? Whether it's art or music or beer, I only want the best.

Segnosaur said:
- While you are running around saying "most people have terrible taste in art", they are saying the same thing about you.
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They're wrong.

Segnosaur said:
And you are in the minority.
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That's fine. Given that most people have poor taste, that's where I want to be.

Segnosaur said:
- Why exactly did you jump right to paintings of Elvis that the "unwashed masses" would want? Did you ever consider that most people would actually be content with a middle ground? i.e. not cheesy like "Elvis on Velvet", but not the type that appeals only to a small minority (like Pollack paintings)? Paintings by artists like Renoir are ones that A: can be appreciated by many of the more discerning painters, and B: would probably be acceptable to a majority of the "unwashed masses".
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How do you think Thomas Kinkaide became so popular? If it wasn't for discerning curators, that crap would be polluting our museums.

Personally, while I recognize that Renoir was a great artist, a lot of his stuff bores me.

For example...
 

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Segnosaur said:
You need to realize a couple of things:

- Statements like that make people assume fans of modern art are "snobs"

- While you are running around saying "most people have terrible taste in art", they are saying the same thing about you. And you are in the minority.

- Why exactly did you jump right to paintings of Elvis that the "unwashed masses" would want? Did you ever consider that most people would actually be content with a middle ground? i.e. not cheesy like "Elvis on Velvet", but not the type that appeals only to a small minority (like Pollack paintings)? Paintings by artists like Renoir are ones that A: can be appreciated by many of the more discerning painters, and B: would probably be acceptable to a majority of the "unwashed masses".
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Fans of ANYTHING challenging or different will be considered "snobs" by those who can't be arsed to come up with a better argument than anti-intellectualism. The H.L. Mencken doctrine is alive and well in culture, worldwide, but it's no more correct to assume elitism or snobbery on the part of the fans than it is to assume lower class high school dropouts in the opposing camps.

I remember first seeing Guernica at MOMA as a teen. I went in with political indoctrinations (Lehrer: "Remember the war against Franco. That's where each of us belonged..."), but I still wasn't prepared for the overwhelming emotion of the piece itself. A class of maybe fourth or fifth graders was touring the museum, and one little girl just stood there, literally (not figuratively) trembling. When her teacher gathered everyone to move to the next exhibit, the little girl said, "Can I look at this some more, please?" I doubt the kid was an effete art snob.

Does that qualify as a "now that's Art!" anecdote? According to some, yes. According to others, no. I tend towards the former, but that's just me.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Fans of ANYTHING challenging or different will be considered "snobs" by those who can't be arsed to come up with a better argument than anti-intellectualism. The H.L. Mencken doctrine is alive and well in culture, worldwide, but it's no more correct to assume elitism or snobbery on the part of the fans than it is to assume lower class high school dropouts in the opposing camps.

I remember first seeing Guernica at MOMA as a teen. I went in with political indoctrinations (Lehrer: "Remember the war against Franco. That's where each of us belonged..."), but I still wasn't prepared for the overwhelming emotion of the piece itself. A class of maybe fourth or fifth graders was touring the museum, and one little girl just stood there, literally (not figuratively) trembling. When her teacher gathered everyone to move to the next exhibit, the little girl said, "Can I look at this some more, please?" I doubt the kid was an effete art snob.

Does that qualify as a "now that's Art!" anecdote? According to some, yes. According to others, no. I tend towards the former, but that's just me.
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I hear you...I'm not a huge Picasso fan, but I clearly remember seeing Guernica for the first time, and being blown away by the immensity and power. Wasn't til years later I learned the political background.
 
Stellafane said:
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I'll give you $50 for that...but you have to turn over all your IP right's to me. ;)
 
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