Are concentration camp victims terrorists if they try to break out?

[Leumas]

Ponder this hypothetical situation:

• Victims of persecution and ethnic cleansing and racism are confined in a concentration camp
  
  
• At some stage during their torment some of the victims manage to kill some of the guards and break out of the concentration camp
  
  
• Many of the people living in the neighborhood of the concentration camp are in fact soldiers and off duty guards and many of the civilians are their families and other people servicing the infrastructure to maintain the needs of the people living in the neighborhood of the concentration camp and the surrounding infrastructure of the township
  
  
• The concentration camp escapees exchange fire with those other soldiers and off duty guards and kill many of them and many of the civilian family members of the soldiers and guards
  
  
• While being chased on the outside of the concentration camp, the victims of the concentration camp take hostages from amongst the families of the guards and soldiers and other civilians living in the neighborhood of the concentration camp
  
  
• Having nowhere to escape they return to the concentration camp and hide amongst the other victims who did not participate in the breakout.
  
  
• The hostages are hidden in some of the tunnels the concentration camp victims dug during their confinement for future attempts to escape

Now try to answer the following questions

1. Is this ghastly aggression by the victims of the concentration camp justified?
   
   
2. Are the escapees terrorists and should they be exterminated for their crime?
   
   
3. Are the other victims in the concentration camp who did not escape, complicit for not pointing out the escapees when the guards and soldiers regain control and start asking them to give up the hostages and escapees?
   
   
4. Are the guards and soldiers justified in performing collective punishment on the concentration camp victims for not snitching on the escapees?

 

[Foster Zygote]

Gee... I wonder where this is going?

 

[novaphile]

It's pretty straight forward actually.

Are they using a terror campaign to try and get a political change?
If yes, they are terrorists.

i.e. Palestinians firing rockets at random at civilian homes equals equals terrorists.

Fighting back against them, equals 'not terrorists'.

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[Leumas]

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It may help you answer the THOUGHT EXPERIMENT if you think of the escapees as escaped SLAVES and the concentration camp as a Plantation... does this help?

Did you watch Django? Did you cheer for Django or Stephan?

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[Thermal]

Well that didn't take long.

 

[Leumas]

It's pretty straight forward actually.

Are they using a terror campaign to try and get a political change?
If yes, they are terrorists.

i.e. Palestinians firing rockets at random at civilian homes equals equals terrorists.

Fighting back against them, equals 'not terrorists'.

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This is a hypothetical situation... no mention of Palestinians or any other political anything... so why are you derailing the thread with your politics?

Maybe it might help you if you think of the movie Avatar (first one)... did you think the Na'vi were terrorists when they started attacking the Humans?

Maybe now you can participate in the poll?

 

[Foster Zygote]

The poll is about a hypothetical situation and has nothing to do with Semitism.

That explains why it's in R&P.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Maybe now you can participate in the poll?

"Just punch the damned tar-baby already!"

 

[Craig4]

No.

 

[lionking]

The poll is about a hypothetical situation and has nothing to do with Semitism.

Utter ******* ********.

Hiding behind a “thought experiment” does disguise your motives.

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[TheGoldcountry]

Can we just cut to the inevitable "gotcha" moment that you totally, truthfully, pinky-swear isn't a metaphor for any ongoing conflict in the world right now?

 

[Craig4]

Do a lot of concentration camps host armed, state-sponsored groups with access to small arms and thousands of artillery rockets?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Do a lot of concentration camps host armed, state-sponsored groups with access to small arms and thousands of artillery rockets?

Hogan's Heroes, for starters.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Can we just cut to the inevitable "gotcha" moment that you totally, truthfully, pinky-swear isn't a metaphor for any ongoing conflict in the world right now?

It's about as subtle as an upended box propped up with a stick over a dish of "FREE BIRDSEED".

 

[Doubt]

The poll is about a hypothetical situation and has nothing to do with Semitism.

It may help you answer the THOUGHT EXPERIMENT if you think of the escapees as escaped SLAVES and the concentration camp as a Plantation... does this help?

Did you watch Django? Did you cheer for Django or Stephan?

Maybe now you can participate in the poll instead of falsely (and impossibly) slandering me.

Nobody here is that stupid. All metaphors are limited and breakdown at some point. This one fails right off the back since concentration camp victims did not adopt a policy of using each other as human shields among other huge differences.

 

[Doubt]

Can we just cut to the inevitable "gotcha" moment that you totally, truthfully, pinky-swear isn't a metaphor for any ongoing conflict in the world right now?

Probably won't ever get there. But we will see lots of accusations about other people having dishonest motives.

Being the smartest person in the room is a curse.

Thinking you are the smartest person in the room and being wrong about it is much, much worse.

 

[zooterkin]

Nobody here is that stupid. All metaphors are limited and breakdown at some point. This one fails right off the back since concentration camp victims did not adopt a policy of using each other as human shields among other huge differences.

Nor were the terrorists from Hamas attempting to escape.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Jesus christ, are you really attempting to claim this is just a thought experiment that has nothing to do with any current world events?

Really?

 

[Hercules56]

If Concentration camp victims knowingly and intentionally murdered civilians after they left the camps, they would be guilty of a crime. If they only killed guards and soldiers? That's not a crime.

The Hamas terror thugs intentionally targeted and murdered non-combatant civilians inside Israel proper, and that is a war crime.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Serious question: why did you post this in R&P? Since it's clearly meant to open a discussion of the current situation in Israel, shouldn't it be in Social Issues and Current Events, or perhaps Non-USA & General Politics? You're "good guys vs. bad guys" premise doesn't even lend itself to a discussion of the religious elements of the conflict, i.e. that both sides are essentially fighting over whose imaginary friend is bigger.