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Are all mediums con artists then?

Interesting Ian said:
But one things for certain, she didn't find those 2 people by chance. I agree that these were the most impressive results, but with many of the other tests it would be highly unreasonable to suppose they hit upon the correct things to say/choose by chance. Indeed it would be insane and only a skeptic would venture to suggest such mindnumbing stupidity.
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It's not certain that she didn't find them by chance. It's highly unlikely but is still a small, but real, possibility. However, I never claimed that her result was down to chance (others may have).

She may have found them using psychic ability, she may have picked up some subtle but non-conscious cueing from those who knew where the target was, or she may have had a confederate. The point is though, with flawed testing the correct answer cannot be determined.

Interesting Ian said:
It rhymes with clucking bell.
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A ducking well? :p :D

I'll ignore your ad-hominems - bit I will say that I'm astonished you've used BPC to support your beliefs. It's not what a deep thinker would have done IMO.
 
Interesting Ian said:
If I can run a mile under 5 minutes then I must be able to run one under 3 minutes. If I cannot, this proves I cannot run at all.

That is the type of argument you are presenting.
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No:- the analagous argument is that if you can run a mile in under 5 minutes, you should also be able to run 100yds in under 5 minutes.
 
Are they ALL con artists? Who knows? have I ever seen one who didn't seem to be either a con artist or deluded? No.

But let me ask this question to the original poster. If I get a sufficient number of people to claim that they can flap their arms and fly to the moon, that some of them must be able to do so because they can't ALL be lying?
 
Yew lot keep yer fooken ‘ands orf Eeyun!

Interesting Ian said:
... don't whine about me using the word nowt. It's the way I speak. Deal with it.
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Don’tcher troi ‘n edit me myte Eeyun, ‘e kin tork enna bleedin’ wye ‘e loiks, shee? You blooodie well gawt NOWT ter sigh aboot it!

Okay, enough of the phonetic; dialect humor gets tedious.

So does Idolent Iain. At best he’s an exhibit: You could point him out as an example of the mulishly unthinking mind; you could usefully link to this thread so that people might see just how pathetic the believer mentality can be.

But after all this long while, Ion himself is just tiresome. Perhaps he’s crying out for help, but take note that when help arrives he spits and reviles and kicks, rejecting it like a fretful child. “No! I don’t want that! I want – I want – I want the BIG teddy in the shop window! Why won’t you buy it for me! GaaaaWaaaaaBLAAA!” Is that a grown man’s behavior?

The question in the long-ago and faraway OP has been amply answered: “Mediums” are all either crooks or fools. They sure as hell don’t deliver the real goods.

And it doesn't matter a bit. There are still plenty of Ians in the world.
 
Ian said:
Absolute nonsense. Where's your argument demonstrating this??
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To be able to talk to dead people is at least as important in the grand scheme of things as, say, the automobile. The automobile changed our way of life. Talking to dead people has been a vapid claim since day one. No one is finding missing children; no one is finding lost dogs; no one is solving murders; no one is cleaning up in Vegas; no one is telling me anything about my grandfather; no one producing posthumous works by Shakespeare; no one is doing crap all.

You're a step ahead ofyourself anyway, Ian. Demonstrate that dead souls are around in the first place, before making silly remarks about guys with greasy hair talking to them.

~~ Paul
 
Ian said:
No one has ever said anything on here that I didn't already understand. That is after about 15,000 posts (they detracted 6500 posts from my account because they didn't want a non-skeptic to be the most prolific poster). You really imagine that you are any different? You've given zero reasons for me to suppose so.
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This is only possible if you have decided that you will never learn anything again by definition. Unfortunately, it leaves us with nothing to assume other than that you like to listen to yourself talk. I'll make a deal with you: Go somewhere else, learn something new, and then come tell us about it. Then everyone benefits.

~~ Paul
 
Interesting Ian said:
If I can run a mile under 5 minutes then I must be able to run one under 3 minutes. If I cannot, this proves I cannot run at all.

That is the type of argument you are presenting.
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No it isnt.I am basically asking you to explain why she couldnt do any other psychic test as convincingly as the hide and seek? She claims help from spirit guides etc. so why did they not divine the clogs in a box or the identity of the racing guy(cant be bothered to attempt the spelling again)or the boatload of other stuff she failed at?

Like you saying you can run a marathon,but you only manage it once out of 20 attempts,the rest of the 19 you don't move.Would it not be right to assume that once was a fluke and you can't actually run at all?:rolleyes:
 
Paul C. Anagnostopoulos said:
To be able to talk to dead people is at least as important in the grand scheme of things as, say, the automobile.
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Whoa....That's an understatement!!

To be able to talk to dead people is vastly more important in the grand scheme of things than automobiles, because being able to do so answers one of the most fundamental questions of mankind: What happens after we die?

Do we continue to "exist" or do we merely vanish?

That is a wee bit more important than the car.
 
Ashles said:
That's very wrong - nobody should advocate you commit suicide.
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Or call me a twat. I don't think people on here understand the way people in the uk speak. I can't say something like I won a s***load of money today gambling on football, yet I am allowed to call someone a twat?? :eek:
 
Interesting Ian said:
Absolute rubbish. There's many many things I can't do consistently. Singing for example. I need to be in a certain emotional mood. It's quite clear that ones psychological state influences to a high measure ones abilities in many tasks.
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You can't consistently demonstrate the ability to sing?

You do talk bollocks sometimes don't you?
 
Interesting Ian said:
Or call me a twat. I don't think people on here understand the way people in the uk speak. I can't say something like I won a s***load of money today gambling on football, yet I am allowed to call someone a twat?? :eek:
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Ian are you having complete memory failure about some of the things you have called other people on these forums?

Am I allowed to call you a hypocrite at this point?
 
Ashles said:
You can't consistently demonstrate the ability to sing?

You do talk bollocks sometimes don't you?
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Eh?? Hang on a sec, you're allowed to say bollocks but I'm not allowed to say s***load??

Yeah, I can always sing. But I need to be in a certain emotion state of mind to really sing well. Certain songs that is. This is very obvious Ashley.
 
Ashles said:
Ian are you having complete memory failure about some of the things you have called other people on these forums?

Am I allowed to call you a hypocrite at this point?
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You may, but it would demonstrate that you don't understand what the word hypocrite means.

It doesn't matter what I call people. The rules must be consistently applied. Otherwise I might suspect I am being singled out cos I'm a non-skeptic.
 
Huntsman said:
Are you sure there isn't a bridge somewhere that's missing you?

Seriously, why do you even post? You could easily set up a simple program to look for key words on the forum, and make your posts for you.

For years now, you've posted the same tired old drivel, each time had it thrown in your face, and each time you have been the only one who hasn't seen the trouncing your argument has recieved.

Really, haven't we discussed your theories enough? Can't someone else get a topic in without getting the same spoiel of nonsense that you post whenever a thread starts with the word "psychic" in it? Will you ever pull your head out of your fourth point of contact for long enough to realize that you have nothing useful to say anymore?

I doubt it.
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Oh dear, this was an interesting thread, but Ian has showed up and now it is the Hour of Scampering for me. Bye Ian, dealing with the fools who believe in John Edward on the WE channel discussion is quite enough for me. I have hit my tolerance of fools limit for the week.
 
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