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Merged Arday life and death

I don't think that's an awful question in this case. Someone that age having an ASD diagnosis isn't exactly an extraordinary claim, unlike, say, reversible mutism.
No, it isn't an extraordinary claim. But it's still a claim made by an extraordinary liar. So I still want evidence before I will believe it.

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.
 
The consensus upthread appears to be that Cambridge would not be permitted to publish—or perhaps even document—said evidence. Where should we expect to find it?
The consensus is more like they wouldn't even be allowed to ask for such evidence. Arday could have voluntarily presented it, but given that nobody said "yes, I have read the note from his doctor that he has condition X," I'm seriously inclined to think that they just believed him.
 
Why do you need evidence Arday was autistic?
I would think that was clear. Most of his claims were on extraordinary but possible but in one persons 30ish years of existence, maybe not impossible but highly improbable. His record is not one of honesty, so any claim he makes about himself should be taken with a grain of salt. With the specific case of autism, autism sure but so extreme that he was uncommunicative and then broke out of it to get a PhD? He might have been turned into a newt.

I subscribe to the maxim that ordinary claims require ordinary evidence, but I'm fairly skeptical of whether Arday is a reliable narrator even when telling his own story.
To be fair, nobody is truly a reliable narrator of their own story. Some of us are less unreliable than others though.
 
Cambridge believed his affirmation of a specific diagnosis, but they did not document that claim in their own files during the job search and onboarding process? Pull the other one.
If he brought it up in his interviews then it could be in the notes taken during his interviews, for example he may have introduced it as a positive for the role he was applying for so noting that wouldn't be considered discriminatory, but at that stage there would be no way for Cambridge to verify that claim, and he has no obligation to provide 3rd party confirmation of that diagnosis. (That is also the case after the interviews and he got the job.)
Either way, I'm challenging the notion (from post #1,542) that it would somehow be illegal for Cambridge to have that diagnosis documented in university files. If the GDPR somehow applies to autobiographical claims made in published papers, I've no idea how that is supposed to work.
You only retain the minimum amount of data absolutely necessary and you limit who has access to it, often the only people who would have complete access to all his information would be the HR department.

ETA: From memory I think there is a recommended time limit for retaining interview and selection data.

ETA1: It is 6 months for the general pool of applicants, the successful applicant would have their information collated into their personnel file. Notes taken during the selection process probably wouldn't be transferred over and kept beyond that 6 months window.
 
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No, it isn't an extraordinary claim. But it's still a claim made by an extraordinary liar. So I still want evidence before I will believe it.

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

There is nothing 'extraordinary' about having delayed childhood development, selective mutism as a child or having 'Aspergers' (now ASD).

I've worked in places where there was always one person or other who had ZERO interest in 'lunching' or going for 'drinks'. People laughed and thought them weird. "Ah he's autistic, always at his desk..." was the joke.

So, yeah, most people do keep quiet about disabilities. It is hardly something to boast about.


I find there is nothing 'extraordinary' in Arday's claim to be autistic nor that he did loads of running, nor that he had difficulties with academic styling of theses.
 
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I would think that was clear. Most of his claims were on extraordinary but possible but in one persons 30ish years of existence, maybe not impossible but highly improbable. His record is not one of honesty, so any claim he makes about himself should be taken with a grain of salt. With the specific case of autism, autism sure but so extreme that he was uncommunicative and then broke out of it to get a PhD? He might have been turned into a newt.


To be fair, nobody is truly a reliable narrator of their own story. Some of us are less unreliable than others though.

Autistic does not mean intellectually impaired.
 
There is nothing 'extraordinary' about having delayed childhood development, selective mutism as a child or having 'Aspergers' (now ASD)
He wasn't simply claiming delayed childhood development, nor did he initially claim "selective mutism". He claimed to be nonverbal until 11.

And it is an extraordinary claim to be nonverbal until 11, illiterate until 18, and still be able to get a professorship at Cambridge. I've met nonverbal autistic kids. They aren't becoming professors at Cambridge. They aren't even going to become kindergarten teachers. It's a profound disability, and most of them are never, ever overcoming it.
I've worked in places where there was always one person or other who had ZERO interest in 'lunching' or going for 'drinks'. People laughed and thought them weird. "Ah he's autistic, always at his desk..." was the joke.

So, yeah, most people do keep quiet about disabilities. It is hardly something to boast about.
And yet, that's exactly what Arday did. Your own life experience as you describe is at odds with Arday's story, and yet that doesn't raise any red flags for you?
I find there is nothing 'extraordinary' in Arday's claim to be autistic
Once again, you're playing Motte & Bailey.
 
Autistic does not mean intellectually impaired.
No, but it can be and Arday claimed he was cognitively impaired to the point of being able to communicate.

Sure, he might have been autistic but there is no reason to believe anything he claims, he lost the benefit of the doubt. If he claimed it wasn't raining that day, I'd look out the window to check.

I wonder what the statistics are on whether folks who are non-verbal at 11 are not still non-verbal at 18, 30.....
 
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He wasn't simply claiming delayed childhood development, nor did he initially claim "selective mutism". He claimed to be nonverbal until 11.

And it is an extraordinary claim to be nonverbal until 11, illiterate until 18, and still be able to get a professorship at Cambridge. I've met nonverbal autistic kids. They aren't becoming professors at Cambridge. They aren't even going to become kindergarten teachers. It's a profound disability, and most of them are never, ever overcoming it.

And yet, that's exactly what Arday did. Your own life experience as you describe is at odds with Arday's story, and yet that doesn't raise any red flags for you?

Once again, you're playing Motte & Bailey.

He told his story as being an aspirational one. You know? Rather like the pilot with no legs (Douglas Bader) succeeding in getting his wings?
 
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Sure, its not an extraordinary claim by Arday that he was autistic, but in his case, I need at least some ordinary evidence because his word has shown to be not evidence at all.

So many analogies that work here. I say I live in Colorado at 10 feet above sea level, why even believe that I live in Colorado? I say I got my pilots wings with one leg and then became an astronaut, why believe I'm a pilot or even only have one leg.
 
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The consensus upthread appears to be that Cambridge would not be permitted to publish—or perhaps even document—said evidence. Where should we expect to find it?
Wherever the claimant found it. We should expect the claimant to know where to find it.

One of the reasons I don't believe the claimant (Afzal) knows what he's talking about is because I don't see how he could reliably know such a thing.
 
Why do you need evidence Arday was autistic?
If it's important if he was autistic, then we need evidence. If it's not important, then we don't need evidence, and we can just ignore the whole issue. You and Afzal seem to think it's important. Are you telling me it's not?
 
He told his story as being an aspirational one.
Quite so. It burnished his credentials. Which is also why he had an incentive to lie about being autistic if he wasn't. And why we cannot take his word for it, given his proven lies that have already been exposed.
 
Why do you need evidence Arday was autistic?
Because Nahir Afzal, Knight of the British Empire, charged with investigating the circumstances of his death, highlighted the claim as important to his investigation, in his preliminary statement, before his investigation has even properly started.

When someone dies, and a Knight of the realm is appointed to investigate, then I want to see evidence for every single claim they make about the subject. Especially when it's clear they want us to do something - think or feel a certain way - with that information.
 

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