Arafats gift to civilization

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by MycroftJust as it’s a simple fact that in the very next paragraph it’s stated that their plan was to throw the explosives at their captors, which contradicts the statement that they planned to blow up themselves and their captors. One does not throw explosives if ones goal is to blow oneself up with someone else. How many times do we have to go over this? With enough editing, you can make anyone seem to say anything.

The problem for you is that the terrorist supporting site is very clear about what the two terrorists planned. It was a suicide bombing. If they didn't plan a suicide bomb attack I wonder why it says they did? After saying they planned a suicide bomb attack it calls the terrorists, heroes. Those heroes are then reported on the site to have been buried in the martyrs graveyard. They really can't be much more clear where their support lies and you haven't condemned their terrorist acts.

You haven't answered the question. Are an Irgun spokesman? If you object to the promotion of suicide bombers and terrorists on their site you could ask them to remove the material. That might be a sensible solution. The site is designed to promote a group, which even Hagannah called terrorist.

Sharon is in good company assassinating mere suspects. When terrorists from the Irgun were tried and sentenced to death as per the law, the Irgun kidnapped and hung two innocent British soldiers. Murder and terrorism. That is the legacy the Irgun gave to Palestine. It's a pity that some still follow their lead.

No. I believe suicide is wrong, but the fact that these men were to be put to death anyway puts enough moral ambiguity into their suicide that I am content to defer judgment to God, further comment from me is unnecessary. If in that you read something that seems to support suicide, then that has more to do with your reading skills than anything I say.

Sorry for having the temerity to ask questions. I really must stop that on a discussion board.

Sure I can. That you bring up possibilities from woo-woo land doesn’t in any way take away from the similarities I’ve noted.

The fundamental problem for you is that you claim you can with certainty conclude actual influence of one individual on two named individuals with nothing more than similarities, none of which are unique to the individuals concerned. I am happy you are happy with your assertion of actual influence but unfortunately you can't prove it. When you can, be sure to let me know. James Randi is also running a prize for people who are convinced of their assertions and feel they can prove them.

I have taken one possibility from the Official Irgun site which is currently praising planned suicide terrorists as heroes. Perhaps that is what you meant by woo-woo land, as I have no idea what woo-woo means exactly. Is it a bad thing for the terrorists of the Irgun to be from woo-woo land?

If you google Occam’s Razor you might catch on. Essentially it’s the idea that one shouldn’t look at unlikely possibilities when much more simple and likely possibilities are available. Hoof beats usually mean horses, not zebras.

I see. This merely confirms the dearth of hard evidence for your assertion. When you resort to Occam's razor as confirmation of your claim then you must be getting desperate. Occam's Razor might suggest that two silver balls in a case are made of silver. Unfortunately they might as easily be of different materials.

I am very glad that you aren't in charge of criminal justice. There would be more innocent people on death row if that was your approach to justice. Sorry, silly point. You don't believe in equality of treatment for Palestinians and Israelis either. Your justice is already unfair.

If we disagree on what hard evidence is and what is required to make a case, we can hardly be said to agree on if I have hard evidence or not. What we do agree on is that you’ve failed to provide a more likely candidate to have influenced the Moroccan terrorists.

After all this time, you still don't get it. You made a claim of certainty about actual influence. You have repeatedly been given many different possible influences, including an Israeli site which is currently actively promoting planned suicide bombers as heroes on the internet and yet you are certain on the basis of three non-unique connonalities that you have proved actual influence. The girls actually stated who fascinated them. It wasn't Arafat. You feel you have proved something. I am very happy for you.

I’ll be more than happy to pass on any comments you may have to my cat, but I have to warn you; she is stubborn and will never confess to having influenced the Moroccan terrorists.

You do seem to feel happy to speak on behalf of a remarkably eclectic group. Cats and the Irgun. Whatever next?

 

[NullPointerException]

Apply the epicurean riddle regarding God to Arafat, and than ask who is responsible. The Palestinians are like cavemen, they just hit stuff with a stick until it goes away.

 

[Baker]

After all this time, you still don't get it. You made a claim of certainty about actual influence. You have repeatedly been given many different possible influences, including an Israeli site which is currently actively promoting planned suicide bombers as heroes on the internet and yet you are certain on the basis of three non-unique connonalities that you have proved actual influence. The girls actually stated who fascinated them. It wasn't Arafat. You feel you have proved something. I am very happy for you.

EJ you have been shown many examples of Arafat's influence on suicide bombers I don't see anywhere on any of Mycroft's posts that he made the claim that Arafat personally told the girls to become suicide bombers.
This thread is about Arafat's constant influence on suicide bombers you can argue that his example wasn’t best one or not but I don’t see any other argument you can make.

 

[zenith-nadir]

Here's Arafat's gift to the world...visually.

 

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by Baler
EJ you have been shown many examples of Arafat's influence on suicide bombers I don't see anywhere on any of Mycroft's posts that he made the claim that Arafat personally told the girls to become suicide bombers.

And I don't know anybody who has made that claim.

 

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by zenith-nadir
Here's Arafat's gift to the world...visually.

Am I to take it from those that you feel you have proved something with those pictures? Would it help if I showed pictures of all the dead children killed by the IDF or settlers? What would that prove?


I don't support any terrorist acts. Do you support the terrorist acts of the founders of Israel who also have left a legacy in the Middle East?

 

[Mycroft]

Originally posted by E.J.Armstrong
I don't support any terrorist acts. Do you support the terrorist acts of the founders of Israel who also have left a legacy in the Middle East?

Are you simultaneously trying to argue that the violence from the founders of Israel left a legacy, but the career of Arafat has not?

 

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by Mycroft
Are you simultaneously trying to argue that the violence from the founders of Israel left a legacy, but the career of Arafat has not?

No. Are you?

Have you found any hard evidence yet that the girls were actually influenced by Arafat, as opposed to the person they actually cited, namely Osama Bin Laden?

Perhaps they were influenced by all the perpetrators of terrorism the Middle East?

 

[zenith-nadir]

Am I to take it from those that you feel you have proved something with those pictures? Would it help if I showed pictures of all the dead children killed by the IDF or settlers? What would that prove?

"dead children killed by the IDF or settlers"...nice deflection. What you see in the pictures with your eyes is up to you.

 

[a_unique_person]

Am I to take it from those that you feel you have proved something with those pictures? Would it help if I showed pictures of all the dead children killed by the IDF or settlers? What would that prove?


I don't support any terrorist acts. Do you support the terrorist acts of the founders of Israel who also have left a legacy in the Middle East?

I did that once. I was not very popular for doing it.

 

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted y zenith-nadir
"dead children killed by the IDF or settlers"...nice deflection. What you see in the pictures with your eyes is up to you.

Not with you. Deflection from what exactly?

I notice that, once again you haven't answered the simple question. Ho hum.

 

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by a_unique_personI did that once. I was not very popular for doing it.

Consistency isn't these boys' forte it seems. They do make me laugh though.

 

[Mycroft]

No. Are you? So you agree the career of Arafat created a legacy of violence?

Have you found any hard evidence yet that the girls were actually influenced by Arafat, as opposed to the person they actually cited, namely Osama Bin Laden? Yes. Did you know they chose methods strikingly similar to methods used by the Palestinian-Arabs against Israeli citizens?

Perhaps they were influenced by all the perpetrators of terrorism the Middle East? Or maybe it was violent music or video games. Do you know if they listened to Marilyn Manson or played Grand Theft Auto III?