April Stundie Finals

[Travis]

So here we are again. Before voting on the best from April let us look lovingly back on what won in March....it was Wisdom: The Fallacy (if only we can get Michael Bay to direct the feature film adaptation)

Your reliance upon math and upon physics is deception personified. That type of fallacy is well known and well-understood. It is deception pure and simple and goes by the name of the "wise-person" fallacy, where claims of greater than normal expertise are used to make the claim that those with less expertise cannot understand what only those with more expertise understand.

Your reliance on that fallacy is not persuasive.
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Pure awesome! Here is the virtual trophy.

So now, onto Teh 28th Annual Stundie Awards of April!

1) I'm still not sure what is being proven by this except that in Neo-Nazi world 900,000 < 100,000.

Exactly right. Hence, at Nuremberg they can pull out 4+ million killed at Auschwitz, and the director of Yad Vashem can confirm the number in 1981. Now that the data is available the actual number is on the order of 100,000 with more Roman Catholic dying than Jews, see

http://en.auschwitz.org.pl/m/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=109&Item id=8

Franciszek Piper, head of the Historical Research Department and author of the book How Many People Died in Auschwitz, estimates that slightly over 900,000 people were exterminated immediately after arrival, without being registered. The majority of them, almost 900,000, were Jews, the majority of whom professed Judaism.

Those are REAL numbers, not fantasy numbers.

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2) I had an uncle that got his "strength" from what causes Pink Elephants too. It also destroyed his liver.

can pink elephant become truth movement logo ???

this would give us additional strength

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3) Well, we all know that planes that are shot down leave no wreckage.

Ok, so I'm looking at the news reports about the plane crash on CNN and as I look at the wreckage, I see engines, plane shards, and other large debris. HOW CAN ANYBODY LOOK AT THIS AND NOT BELIEVE Flight 93 was shot down? Plane crashes leave wreckage.

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4) Yes I'm sure Bin Laden was reading about asteroids hitting Italy when he thought, "planes into buildings in NYC!" It's such a logical next step. Imagine what will happen he starts reading Niven.

Keep this in mind when you read the following excerpt from the great science fiction author Arthur C. Clarke. In his 1973 novel, Rendezvous with Rama, Clarke wrote: "At 0940 GMT on the morning of September 11 in the exceptionally beautiful summer of the year 2077, most of the inhabitants of Europe saw a dazzling fireball.... Somewhere above Austria it began to disintegrate.... The cities of Padua and Verona were wiped from the face of the earth, and the last glories of Venice sank forever..."

Who would have thought that Arthur C. Clarke was the brains behind Osama bin Laden?

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5) If this was from a philosophy majors paper I might give it a B- for effort....but since it's really about WTC7, and not intended as irony, this gets........what's worse than an F again?

Again, you are focusing on the who, what, when, where, why and how. I don't care about them. I care about the events and the stories and the evidence. That's all for this discussion.

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6) Except for the things I'm accusing him of...I'm not accusing him of anything!

The burden of proof is always on the accuser. Didn't you learn that in 8th grade Civics class?

Wrong. We're not "accusing" him of anything except withholding proof.

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7) If it was like the Moon....is that the source of all those zeros? Or is that too much "blind speculation?"

Quick question to the 'experts' doesn't building demolition create a vaccum (sic)? Doesn't that make it like the moon?
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It's an established fact that even with raw random chance, the planes couldn't have done it. I don't think there's enough 0's in a bowl of cheerios to add the the end of a decimal point for that number to represent a chance for a freefall drop for BOTH towers. So let's just be real, something else was to blame.
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We need to demand to see what really happened, not make blind speculation.

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8) Sometimes one side is all wrong.

I like the way all you skeptics come over as if you are doing the world a public service, while making out that doubters of the "Official Theory" are all deranged "Chicken Little" types.

The laws of probability alone say that you can't all be right, and your "opponents" are all wrong. That's got to be at least as unlikely as a terrorist's passport being found undamaged amid tons of debris.

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9) Plausible......as a plot for a bad movie, maybe.

That virus-laden DNA of aborted babies could be wreaking havoc on the DNA of healthy children is completely plausible.

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10) Yes, we are just born knowing facts. All that "education" is just for show.

And by the way you can't find common sense by reading books...Or facts...You either have it or YOU don't.

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11) Was this the WTC or Battleship Manhattan? I may need this to be made even more scientific.

Just a simple demonstration: take the armor of a military tank, the M1 Abrahms if you will. measure the thickness of its steel.
Now think: what is armor piercing ammunition? It is specially designed projectiles launched at SUPRA-sonic speeds to be _able_ at all to penetrate it's target.
In the projectile one often utilizes the heaviest of materials: tungsten and DU.
Now. The walls of the WTC were DOUBLE panels of several inches thick industrial steel.
You and others are telling us that fire and soft flimsy aluminum planes at SUB-sonic speeds could actually _penetrate_ solid steel walls.
if this was the case... why bother designing bunker buster bombs? Just dump old planes on targets!
I _can_ make this even more scientific for you if you so desire

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12) So, for some people 2+2 does equal i and they don't even need evidence for why.

Experiences differ from one human to another... it is not necessary to provide proof of anything... and as if! ...we can't prove everything - and again, it is foolish to believe that in order to believe anything, you need some kind of hard material evidence, else it doesn't exist...

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13) This raises questions about why the company that the Fire Department contracted with used gas pedal powered bombs.

If it's true that (the) FD [Fire Department] made the decision to pull 7, that doesn't mean they themselves had to push the button or gas pedal or whatever the hell would have needed to be done to actually drop 7. They could have just ordered it done by whoever handled the demolition.

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14) Yeah, the body is perfect. That's why we never accidentally choke or need an appendix removed.

As I said professor, you believe disease to be genetic, you also believe the body attacks itself and creates harmful cells. This is how you distract the masses from the truth.

There are no genetic diseases only pathogens passed from one generation to the next because all pathogens are contagious.

That's right the body does not attack itself. Only a doctor would believe that something as amazing as the body is that counter productive.

Medicine is the cause of all disease, especially western medicine. You will notice that outside of western medicine there is no such thing as cancer.

That's right, cancer is non existent in wildlife and it is non existent in livestock. This is because the good doctors do not effect wildlife and the medicine sees to it that livestock does not have cancer.

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15) So this is what happened to the island in Lost.

My fear is that the whole island (Guam) will become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize.

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16) Psychic DNA anyone?

Whatever. I was just asking about the DNA. This isn't about science to me.

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17) It seems that demolitions experts don't have access to the web.

I posted a link of liquid explosives that would work.
Of course most demolitions experts probably don't even know about the material since it is cloaked in national security.

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18) I'm still not entirely sure what's trying to be said here. You protect lies by exposing them?

they want (someone/anyone) to exfoliate any shred of evidence on the steel.......forever. Any examination of the steel will be riddled with controversy once it leaves the protection of the hanger.

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19) We all know any building that collapses was designed to do so, otherwise they stay up...no matter what!

I may get into trouble here but I think I remember some statistic like the buildings were designed to stand, with up to like forty percent of the structure removed. It was heavily over-engineered and designed to stand, no matter what. This is why the "pancake" theory is so absurd, it relies on the building being designed to collapse like a house of cards due to gravity, instead of being designed to RESIST the forces of gravity like every single construction on the face of the planet.

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20) Whatever technology is behind this should make uranium mining a lot easier.

Check out TIME Magazine in full Project Mockingbird mode acting like "missing nukes" are very normal and acceptable, but hero's just like you can do your part to protect us from this false threat they invented.

THEY HAVE NANOTECH IN LIPSTICK!

YOU THINK THEY ARE NOT TRACKING EVERY UNANIUM/PLUTONIUM PARTICLE ON THE PLANET?

 

[little grey rabbit]

And where is Krema Denial - that Krema II and III were really bakeries because everyone says they looked like bakeries? Let's face it, the refusal by JREF to allow the Krema-Bakery nomination in, is because secretly they know its true.

 

[Cuddles]

In before the poll.

Although sadly not before the crazy.

 

[McHrozni]

Ha, first voter, apparently!

A superb harvest ...

McHrozni

 

[VonKleist]

And where is Krema Denial - that Krema II and III were really bakeries because everyone says they looked like bakeries? Let's face it, the refusal by JREF to allow the Krema-Bakery nomination in, is because secretly they know its true.

No, it's because we belong to a secret cabal of shape-shifting bakers.

ETA First time I've seen #14. Truly awesome.

 

[Dave Rogers]

And where is Krema Denial - that Krema II and III were really bakeries because everyone says they looked like bakeries? Let's face it, the refusal by JREF to allow the Krema-Bakery nomination in, is because secretly they know its true.

No, it's because you haven't said anything new enough to be interesting.

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

I like 5, 8, 10 and 17. 5 because it's a classic example of justifying a hypothesis by ignoring all of it, 8 because truthers are so staggeringly ignorant when it comes to any aspect of probability theory, 10 as the perfect blend of arrogance and ignorance, and 17 because so many conspiracy theorists like to fantasise that they're privy to some secret knowledge that everybody else in the world is too stupid to understand. But more importantly, congratulations to jammonius for a richly deserved victory in March; if anyone's earned it, s/he has.

Dave

 

[Travis]

And where is Krema Denial - that Krema II and III were really bakeries because everyone says they looked like bakeries? Let's face it, the refusal by JREF to allow the Krema-Bakery nomination in, is because secretly they know its true.

Sorry but it was tough decision. There were just so many good ones to choose from.

Also, there's something about campaigning for a Stundie that seems so.......wrong.

 

[Horatius]

And where is Krema Denial - that Krema II and III were really bakeries because everyone says they looked like bakeries? Let's face it, the refusal by JREF to allow the Krema-Bakery nomination in, is because secretly they know its true.

Also, there's something about campaigning for a Stundie that seems so.......wrong.

Exactly. No one who wants a Stundie should be allowed to get one!

 

[DC]

im very dissapointed. i wanted to vote for swiss slavery.
did my Owners pay you to supress it in the finals? when you deny it, it only shows im right.

 

[timhau]

Hmm... hard decision this time. I kind of like 14, but 20 gets lots of credit for exposing 'them' at it again -- this time tracking all unanium particles on the planet.

 

[Rogue1stclass]

I had to go with 11 because the tank he chose for his "demonstration", the M1 Abrams, doesn't even use steel armor but a composite armor called Chobham.

He thusly fails on even the most basic level.

 

[little grey rabbit]

Sorry but it was tough decision. There were just so many good ones to choose from.

Also, there's something about campaigning for a Stundie that seems so.......wrong.

Oh I see, the Stundies are still at the stage of the presidential elections circa 1880. "My fellow Americans, I am far too unworthy to present myself as a candidate for President of this great nation. Yet should the unanimous voice of the people demand my service despite my humble protestations, I shall endeavour to do my duty"

Well, it is time the Stundies were dragged kicking and screaming into the new millennium.

 

[Sabrina]

14 or 15, hands down.

I've never seen anything so stupid (either of them) in my ENTIRE LIFE.

An island tipping over? Seriously?

 

[Agatha]

An excellent month of stupid once again. I like the self-debunking prose of 14 - medicines give you cancer, livestock are given medicines so they don't get cancer - and the madness of 15.

I also voted for 5, 8 and 20. I love that the author of 20 puts so much faith in the puff of cosmetic ads. Bless.

 

[cwalner]

14 or 15, hands down.

I've never seen anything so stupid (either of them) in my ENTIRE LIFE.

An island tipping over? Seriously?

I voted for 15 as well, because the context (not included in the finals, but in the nomination) makes it even worse and staggeringly hilarious.

 

[Stacko]

Does 15 really qualify as a stundie? I mean it's hilariously ignorant of science but I don't see the conspiracy.

 

[McHrozni]

Does 15 really qualify as a stundie? I mean it's hilariously ignorant of science but I don't see the conspiracy.

I think it's possible 15 was misunderstood somewhat. If the capsizing is taken figuratively, and the statement was intended to say, in more colorful terms: "I'm afraid the population of Guam will increase to the point where it will be impossible to support with the resources available there", it's not even stupid.

McHrozni

 

[Mashuna]

I think it's the first time I've nominated a post for a Stundie that's made it to the finals. So I shall be voting for number 14.

Oh, if you're tempted to read the thread it comes from, beware. It's a whole ocean of crazy. This nomination was just the tip of the crazyberg.

 

[dudalb]

Oh I see, the Stundies are still at the stage of the presidential elections circa 1880. "My fellow Americans, I am far too unworthy to present myself as a candidate for President of this great nation. Yet should the unanimous voice of the people demand my service despite my humble protestations, I shall endeavour to do my duty"

Well, it is time the Stundies were dragged kicking and screaming into the new millennium.

You are winning yourself no points here.
No campaigning for the Stundies in the Stundie Thread...the JREF version of "No campaigning within 50 Yards of the Polling Place".