April 2007 Stundie Nominations

It's almost a crime that Stundie's been disqualified from receiving his own award with a gem like this next one. He's debating someone by the handle "newtons bit" at the SLC forum about structural failures, and the discussion turned to the OKC bombing. Highlighting mine:
Stundie @ SLCF said:
As I said, I do not think you are a structual engineer. You could be anyone....so I did a little research on the word Engineering Failure and came up with this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_engineering_failures
Its split into 8 catergories and one of them is building collapses - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Collapsed_buildings
Guess what?? The Murrah building is not one of them!! [/B]

To demonstrate the fruit-fly-on-crystal-meth attention span of most troofers, we get this:

newtons bit @ SLCF said:
You don't get engineering concepts, and I don't think you want to.
Stundie @ SLCF said:
Thats because I'm not an engineer, nor do I claim to be! However, if you

I swear that's his entire response.

Both of those nuggets can be found in this post: http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com/index.php?act=findpost&pid=18404
 
Discovered a bit about the cost of a Zogby poll from chucksheen and how cheap it would be for them to do it. Followed is a bit of self-pleasuring from himself...

chucksheen @ LCF said:
Yes. A new "Zogby" is what we need.

And it's cheap. About 5 grand would do it.

Why can't we raise five grand and run our own three question Zogby Poll with press release?

With the press release it goes everywhere, and we get to say what we want in the press release.

It's a "no brainer" when you think about it in terms of "bang for the buck".

And someone could come along and donate a grand maybe even..

It would not take long. I'd like to see 911blogger beat 911truth.org on this one. What do ya'll say?

Time for a new Zogby.

Just imagine.

Headline:

Over 40% of Americans believe that 9/11 was an inside job, and over 50%, who believe in either MIHOP or LIHOP (conspiracy to committ mass murder or criminal negligence involving death times 3000). .

How would that be for the Rosie/B.O. debate, eh?

In this climate, it could set off another truth bomb, and result in more celebs going public with their views.

We could see Charlie Sheen on Showbiz Tonight announcing the release of Loose Change, Final Cut!!!

And then the left right punch with Rosie also plugging Loose Change, Final Cut on "The View"..

All surrounded by the new poll release..!!!

Think about it, think about it long and hard...

It's a "no brainer".

New Zogby please and thank you.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6778
 
Lyte Trip strikes again:

Funny how you can take a factual statement out of context and call it a "stundie".

The physical damage flight path has zero room for error.

This is without question a fact.

If the plane was off course AT ALL and was anywhere near the north side of the gas station.........................9/11 has been PROVEN to be an inside job.

citgowitnesses.jpg

911-5.jpg

911-4.jpg

911-6.jpg

citgowitnesses.jpg
 
If the plane was off course AT ALL and was anywhere near the north side of the gas station.........................9/11 has been PROVEN to be an inside job.

PROVEN? That is the most insane leap of "logic" I have seen so far. I really have a hard time believing that some of you are even serious. Seriously, are some of these guys just people who are trolling and / or trying to make truthers look insane?
 
The term of art is "disinfo."

And no, they're pretty much all like this. No hoaxer (and there have been several) has that much stamina.
 
Funny how you can take a factual statement out of context and call it a "stundie".

The physical damage flight path has zero room for error.

This is without question a fact.

If the plane was off course AT ALL and was anywhere near the north side of the gas station.........................9/11 has been PROVEN to be an inside job.

[qimg]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/citgowitnesses.jpg[/qimg]
[qimg]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/911-5.jpg[/qimg]
[qimg]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/911-4.jpg[/qimg]
[qimg]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/911-6.jpg[/qimg]
[qimg]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/citgowitnesses.jpg[/qimg]

Please keep this discussion in the appropriate thread.

As an aside, if they were remotely correct about the approximate position of the plane, the official story would not be toast, there would simply be some very interesting and important questions raised.

However, as at this point in time only four witnesses place the plane anywhere away from the generally accepted flight path. Meanwhile, numerous witnesses place it on the generally accepted flight path - this path is further strengthened by the presence of physical evidence and the FDR information.

The nomination stands, we'll see how it fares in the long run.
 
Funny how you can take a factual statement out of context and call it a "stundie".

The physical damage flight path has zero room for error.

This is without question a fact.

If the plane was off course AT ALL and was anywhere near the north side of the gas station.........................9/11 has been PROVEN to be an inside job.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/citgowitnesses.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/911-5.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/911-4.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/911-6.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/citgowitnesses.jpg
i just find it incredibly amusing that your "north of citgo witness flight plan" doesnt fit with any of your north of citgo witnesses, lol

BTW, how many of your witnesses saw f77 "pull up here"?
 
Quest again:

If anyone wants to visit a mature site with no drama, that welcomes all debate, uncensored, and absolutely NO JREFrs please visit us.


What an interesting concept of "uncensored".
 
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2491103#post2491103
William REA said:
To defend this one hurts me because Griffin is a Theologian and I am at the very least agnostic but here goes...

1. David Ray Griffin's language is not scientific but its intent is clear.

2. It actually shows a little insight into how Gravitational Potential Energy acts and releases in a vectorial manner.

3. In its correct context it is neither ignorant nor illogical nor fallacious, the man just doesn't have the knowledge of scientific language to express himself. Despite this he clearly shows an understanding of how it works.

4. Other scientists and engineers express energy and conversions in similar terms.
fixed whosaidit...
 
Well that is the most logical conclusion....

Beach at the LCF:

No 757 impacted at the Pentagon - It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. If anyone saw a 757 in the area then the most logical explanation is a flyover. Merc and Lyte have already proved how easily this could be implemented.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6814
Why, it doesn't even take a person of average intelligence! Perhaps that's the problem...
 
I don't know if ironic posts are predestined for the Stundies
but this one just broke my irony-meter:

Killtown@hisBlog said:
But this should not come to any surprise; he’s [Dylan] been abusing his power at his poorly run forums for quite some time. The Loose Change Forum is legendary for deleting posts and banning at will.
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Just a hint for those who don't know Killtown:

Killtown@LC said:
TROLL! SHILL!!!! TROLLALERT!!!

ADMINS!!! COME AND BAN THIS GUY!!!11!!!1!!!! AND DELETE HIS MESSAGE!11!1!!!


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Oh wait - I nominate the whole Blog-Entry! :D

Stand up against '9/11 Truth' dictators

Yesterday was another sad day in the 9/11 “truth” movement. It seems like there are certain people in the movement who think they know what’s best for movement and want to dictate which 9/11 conspiracy theories are ok to discuss and which ones are forbidden to talk about (ironic, huh?).

Yesterday Dylan Avery, of Loose Change, banned certain conspiracy theories to be discussed at his “9/11 truth” conspiracy forum:

dylan avery Posted: Apr 2 2007, 06:59 PM

Whoever's behind this multiple-IP temporary forwarding no plane spamming nonsense ...

Loose Change Forum is from now on taking a NO TOLERANCE POLICY on "No Planes At WTC"

From this post forward, anyone seen promoting that theory ... first offense, 7 day suspension. Second offense, banning.

This is our forum, and we refuse to allow our reputation to be tarnished any further.
Did you get that? He banned certain conspiracy theories from his conspiracy forum; the ones he feels are harmful to the movement. Why? Because obviously he thinks he knows what’s best for the 9/11 “Truth” movement.

If you agree with Dylan's decision in banning this particular theory because you feel it has no basis and/or is "discrediting" the movement, how will you feel if/when he bans one of the theories you believe in?

The funniest part is that his overreaction came in part from the result of the actions by a couple spammer trolls who launched an attack on me by bumping all my old threads up in an attempt to make me look bad and when the first spammer got banned, they came back under different names (even copying my own ID somehow) and began bumping more of my old threads up, but this time they got clever and made themselves look like no-planers, the people who Dylan obviously despises. These crafty spammers deliberately did this to make me and no-planers look bad and Dylan fell for it hook, line, and sinker.


When I pointed this out to Dylan, this was his reaction:
dylan avery Posted: Apr 2 2007, 07:21 PM

"QUOTE (Killtown @ Apr 3 2007, 12:20 AM) Dylan, you fell for the oldest trick in the book."

You are now suspended for 7 days.

Start being a responsible person and researcher.

“Start being a responsible person and researcher.”
Hmm, that’s pretty funny coming out of his mouth.

But this should not come to any surprise; he’s been abusing his power at his poorly run forums for quite some time. The Loose Change Forum is legendary for deleting posts and banning at will. Now a lot of these deleting of posts and bannings have been towards conspiracy skeptics who’s sole purpose was to disrupt the forum and ridicule 9/11 conspiracy theorists, so I don’t have a problem with taking action against these immature trolls (even though I personally would have handled it differently), but it’s the deleting of posts and banning of legitimate researchers with legitimate questions exploring all aspects of the truth that can not be tolerated. It’s censorship, “plane” and simple.

Dylan also closed down the first Loose Change Forum after he banned a lot of his admins and mods for standing up to him*.

(*Note that there was a lot of corrupt admins at the first LC forum in which I was for them being de-admined, but I was not for Dylan’s mass admin banning and I did not know the whole story at the time about what his reasons were for his mass bannings.)

It’s also very disturbing that one the very few moderators he has at his large and popular forum is Russell Pickering who spends most of his time trying to prove an AA Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon which goes directly against one of the main points in Dylan’s movie Loose Change which advocates that no plane hit the Pentagon. What’s up with that???


A lot of people have been complaining in the background about Dylan’s strong-arm tactics and immature behavior and his seemingly lack of interest at his own forum by allowing trolls there to run amok for quite some time now, but were afraid to speak up because if you brought it up at his forum, you would most likely be banned on the spot. Another reason people haven’t stood up (including me) to say anything about him is because we don’t want to be seen as dividing the movement and don’t want to give ammunition to the immature skeptics who’s sole purpose is to destroy the 9/11 truth movement.

Well we can only stay seated and quiet for so long until we become the very people who we complain about that stay seated and quiet about thinking 9/11 was an inside job. Dylan’s actions of censorship and strong-arming are, in my opinion, discrediting the 9/11 “Truth” Movement just as much, or maybe even more, than the very theories he thinks are discrediting the movement.

Dylan is not the only “big-wig” in the 9/11 Truth Movement who thinks they know what’s best for the movement and, ironically, these other “big-wigs” in the movement who think they know best for everyone think Loose Change is detrimental to the truth movement!

Some truthers will say that exposing 9/11 is too important to worry about free speech because if the New World Order gets its way, there will be no free speech anymore, so we must “suspend” the very things we are fighting for to win our battle for the “truth”.

Well that being said, then there are only two options for the 9/11 truth movement as I see it:

1) Support free speech in our efforts to find the truth about 9/11 and condemn censorship (one of the very things we are supposedly fighting against)

2) Become fascists and support a elitist hierarchy that the majority of truthers (or those who pull the most weight) think will know what’s best for the movement to lead us and attack and ridicule those who the movement's self appointed Messiahs deem "trouble makers" for the movement.

I, for one, am against fascism and support freedom of speech and I’m taking a stand against dictators who think they know what’s best for the 9/11 truth movement.

I’m calling for Dylan Avery to step down as an administrator at the Loose Change Forum and for the other members of Loose Change, Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe, to either take control of the forum and run it more professionally, or close it all together like the did with their last forum.

I also urge other sites, like 911blogger.com, to crack down on members who think they know what’s best for the movement and who viciously attack other truthers who they disagree with.

I urge all truthers who support free speech and who are against bullying tactics to stand up against any member or group in the 9/11 truth movement who they think are stifling free speech and are acting like dictators.

Now is the time to take a stand.

Don’t regret not standing up like Earl McManus did:
Earl McManus Regrets

If truthers think I am detrimental to the 9/11 truth movement, feel free to take a stand against me.
 
My god Questy is an idiot!

How the hell else would you take it?!?!?!

I'd put this into the Stundies, but there's way too much explanation needed.....

Haha that was certainly fun, both him and killtown had absolutely no way to respond to my challenges so fell back into just insulting or ridiculing me :)

You should check out the end of this thread for -raven-'s amazing debunking of my "pull it" assertion.
 
ask him to find a single instance in demo literature weather it be a web site, a demo company brochure, a demo company video, a recorded telephone call to a demo company office. ANYTHING that uses "pull" within the context of a controlled demolition or implosion. He cant, he wont, it doesn't exist. it never existed,
 
ask him to find a single instance in demo literature weather it be a web site, a demo company brochure, a demo company video, a recorded telephone call to a demo company office. ANYTHING that uses "pull" within the context of a controlled demolition or implosion. He cant, he wont, it doesn't exist. it never existed,

You don't have to tell me, the fact that his own hypothesis goes against his provided evidence is hilarious too.
 

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