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Ed Applying luma curve to photos and footage

zooterkin said:
Are you abandoning your claim to be able to tell images have been manipulated?
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No. Im moving past pictures of tractors snd seashores. And to pictures involved with the event
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Notice hair exposed under the part of thebhair responding. Who would have done it. Is it conclusive. I dont know that. But you can replicate it and question it yourself. Or dont.
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nt1 said:
No. Im moving past pictures of tractors snd seashores.
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You're trying to substitute your own test in place of one that has been controlled by someone else to provide credible measurement of the strength of your method. We require you to apply your method to the controlled test specimens. Someone else knows for a fact whether they have been manipulated and has escrowed that information as an experimental control. Applying your method to random images that you choose and declaring that your interpretation of them must be correct is absurd.

nt1 said:
Notice...
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No. You are simply repeating the same questionable methods over and over again with no treatment of what is mathematically and interpretationally wrong with them.

nt1 said:
Is it conclusive. I dont know that.
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We can conclusively determine that the properties you are ambiguously attributing to unspecified malfeasance are exclusively the product of your manipulation of the image using a toy that you are misusing. We can show mathematically how the adjustments you are applying produce the results you claim are anomalous.

nt1 said:
But you can replicate it and question it yourself. Or dont.
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Inviting people to repeat your error does not remove the error. We prefer to question your claims regarding your methods and how you propose that they reveal image tampering.
 
arthwollipot said:
No, you didn't. You didn't apply your method to a single one of them.
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Actually he did apply it to two of them.

He applied it to the beach image with the industrial complex in the background. He pronounced the image genuine and untampered, despite that his signature "halos" were clearly seen around the beach strollers in the distance.

He applied it to the image of the pond surrounded by trees and pronounced it also negative for tampering. I corrected his procedure by applying his method to an enlargement and was able to produce halos.
 
nt1 said:
Answered all 6.
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You didn’t use your luma technique which was the point of the whole exercise.

Also, you never put forward arguments, but always just piles more of the same stuff on top of the previous stuff.

You don’t accept JayUthah as an authority. But why? Because he disagrees with you?
 
nt1 said:
See the "sticker"?

It appears to be a fabricated artifact

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Notice the light of the shirt crease. And the vertical line that runs behind it?
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Notice the border overlaps but the middle of the "sticker" does not.

I would say the border is laid on. The box is filled in yellow. The text laid on. A scanner isnt going to expose a line and shirt crease behind it. A digital artifact is a possiblity.
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Yes it is fabricated. It has been printed by a machine.
 
steenkh said:
You don’t accept JayUthah as an authority. But why? Because he disagrees with you?
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It's pure evasion. While Jay is an authority (his IRL identity isn't the best kept secret), he didn't base his arguement on it, rather he laid out exactly what the tool does & how it's being misused, he even showed the maths.
 
nt1 said:
July 6th 1946
NY Gov. Dewey announces the first WTC committee.
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July 6th 1946
George Walker Bush Jr. Is born.
The preaident and tower were born the same day.
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I feel so stupid for not having seen this connection sooner. When George Bush Sr ◊◊◊◊◊◊ Babs Bush in early October of 1945, it was the start of the rite of ritual symbolism. And on July 6, 1946, Sylvester Stallone was also born in...you guessed it...NYC. It explains everything. Wake up sheeple!
 
nt1 said:
Correct.
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You agree it's correct that we ought to be able to find hundreds of accounts from New Yorkers who were prevented from getting to work that morning before the attacks, if it was true that the area was closed off in preparation for fake attacks.

Why don't we find them in that case? Obviously it's because fake attacks are not what happened. Right?
 
Jack by the hedge said:
You agree it's correct that we ought to be able to find hundreds of accounts from New Yorkers who were prevented from getting to work that morning before the attacks, if it was true that the area was closed off in preparation for fake attacks.

Why don't we find them in that case? Obviously it's because fake attacks are not what happened. Right?
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Can you imagine what Manhattan would have looked like that morning in this fantasy world? It would have been like a movie set shoot. And not one witness to anything, then or now. Not one soul that said "man, I really feel guilty about my part in this" and publicly came clean.
 
In the hours before the attacks the big news story of the day would be that thousands of lower Manhattan workers were being prevented from getting to work by Police (or Doctor Evil's minions dressed as cops). They wouldn't let the growing crowd past and they wouldn't explain why not. Real cops would show up and challenge the strangers in uniform. The mayor would be contacted for his comment and wouldn't know what was going on. Eventually the angry crowd would surge past the henchmen.

None of this happened. The idea that the whole area was closed off is utterly stupid. Nobody who suggests this might be what happened has given it even a moment's thought. Fail.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
In the hours before the attacks the big news story of the day would be that thousands of lower Manhattan workers were being prevented from getting to work by Police (or Doctor Evil's minions dressed as cops). They wouldn't let the growing crowd past and they wouldn't explain why not. Real cops would show up and challenge the strangers in uniform. The mayor would be contacted for his comment and wouldn't know what was going on. Eventually the angry crowd would surge past the henchmen.

None of this happened. The idea that the whole area was closed off is utterly stupid. Nobody who suggests this might be what happened has given it even a moment's thought. Fail.
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Not if the cops and mayor were doing for some mysterious reason they didn't understand but were told by.......someone to it?

ETA: I'm satisfied that JayUtah has shown why nt1's methods aren't doing what he thinks they are. I'm unconvinced that there were an unusual number cancelations on flights that day. But lets pretend, none of that was true. What actually happened that day?

1. Did the buildings actually collapse or not?
2. If they did, what caused it?
3. Why wouldn't it have just been easier to fly some planes into the buildings than fake some plans flying into the buildings?
 
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ahhell said:
Not if the cops and mayor were doing for some mysterious reason they didn't understand but were told by.......someone to it?
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As always, the conspiracy theory has to expand and expand until literally everyone is in on it.

While my opinion of Rudi Giuliani is not high, even he would put two and two together. "So that guy who said he was from the NSA/FBI/Secret Service/Whatever and told us we had to clear the area: he told us that well before those two planes were hijacked. In fact it was well before the flights even took off. So he had the authority to shut down lower Manhattan, but not to delay a couple of commuter flights. Hmm. Well, I'm sure it's fine. Not even worth mentioning really."
 
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ahhell said:
Not if the cops and mayor were doing for some mysterious reason they didn't understand but were told by.......someone to it?

ETA: I'm satisfied that JayUtah has shown why nt1's methods aren't doing what he thinks they are. I'm unconvinced that there were an unusual number cancelations on flights that day. But lets pretend, none of that was true. What actually happened that day?

1. Did the buildings actually collapse or not?
2. If they did, what caused it?
3. Why wouldn't it have just been easier to fly some planes into the buildings than fake some plans flying into the buildings?
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I believe we have some other yahoo running around on this site that says the Towers were actually hollow? Which is kind of weird, considering that I'd been in both and totally didn't notice that.
 
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