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Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion - continuation thread

justintime said:
The Soviets were more concerned of the edge Americans would have over them with the use of steroids in more earthy sports like the Olympics.
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They told you this, did they?

So they weren't particularly concerned about the threat of space-travel technology being used to develop ICBM's. It was the Olympics?

Thanks for the history lesson! Quite enlightening.
 
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Anders Lindman said:
Well, the orange soil the NASA astronauts supposedly found on the moon looked orange. No polarization there. ;) My explanation is that they used black-and-white backgrounds of ordinary Earth sand (both in studios and in outdoor desert Earth landscapes), and pasted color foregrounds objects onto that.
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The orange soil was probably caused by an ancient "fire fountain".
Source NASA.

Between 1969, and 1972, twelve American astronauts landed on the Moon, and returned safely to Earth.

The arguments put foreward by yourself, and others as to why American astronauts did not land on the Moon, or otherwise seeks to undermine the factual evidence, does nothing whatsoever to change this fact, and should only be only considered in the context of how little, you, and your equally misinformed peers seem to know of the Apollo project in general, and of it’s many complex sciences in particular, including the science of colour photography, how colour information can be best recorded, not to mention any problems the Chinese may have had with their camera system. This is where your questions should be addressed, and formed in the context of this ignorance, not as statements of fact, they are irrelevant, at best trivial, they do nothing to shake the Apollo record,
NASA state the following;

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/lroc-20100910_color_moon_prt.htm

“Colors on the Moon are dominantly controlled by variations in iron and titanium content. The mare regions have low reflectance because they contain relatively high amounts of iron oxide (FeO). Some mare basalts contain unusually high amounts of titanium oxide (TiO2) in addition to iron oxide, making for even lower reflectance. TiO2 also shifts the color of the mare from red to blue”.

Why is the Chinese Moon brown-ish? Most probably electronic-al, not conspiratorial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-6RrhotT94

P.S. Have you contacted the Chinese National Space Administration, probably not, however their “Contact us” page is on the blink, more conspiracies?

What remains is to ask the question, what possible rational reasons do you have to want to bring the Apollo record into doubt?

Science cannot be changed by the will of fools.
It is most important to truly understand the nature of what we see, not what we want to see.
 
SpitfireIX said:
Justin might also have been referring to "cut the mustard," an idiom for being adequate for a task or purpose. But it's definitely an odd construction. :confused:
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Your all wrong, what Justintime really means by;

“Cannot pass the Mustard test”, is a reference to a little known British spacecraft design with the acronym M.U.S.T.A.R.D a space craft design proposed by BAC. (British Aircraft Corparation)

“BAC proposed the MUSTARD winged vehicle design (Multi-Unit Space Transport and Recovery Device) could place 5,000 lb. (2,268 kg) payloads into orbit. Two of the units would act as boosters to launch the third into orbit. They would be stacked for launch and would feed any excess fuel to the unit which was to become the spacecraft. At 150,000 to 200,000 ft. (45,720 to 60,960 m.) the boost units would separate and land in aircraft fashion. After placing its payload into orbit the spacecraft unit would return similarly”.

http://www.unrealaircraft.com/wings/bac_mustard.php

Problem was, after a government review the design was deemed to, "Not to cut the Mustard", and consequently, funding was cut for the MUSTARD!

A European version was also proposed, called “Moutarde”, this further confused the UK government, and was similarly cancelled.
 
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Peter May said:
Your all wrong, what Justintime really means by;

“Cannot pass the Mustard test”, is a reference to a little known British spacecraft design with the acronym M.U.S.T.A.R.D a space craft design proposed by BAC. (British Aircraft Corparation)

“BAC proposed the MUSTARD winged vehicle design (Multi-Unit Space Transport and Recovery Device) could place 5,000 lb. (2,268 kg) payloads into orbit. Two of the units would act as boosters to launch the third into orbit. They would be stacked for launch and would feed any excess fuel to the unit which was to become the spacecraft. At 150,000 to 200,000 ft. (45,720 to 60,960 m.) the boost units would separate and land in aircraft fashion. After placing its payload into orbit the spacecraft unit would return similarly”.

http://www.unrealaircraft.com/wings/bac_mustard.php

Problem was, after a government review the design was deemed to, "Not to cut the Mustard", and consequently, funding was cut for the MUSTARD!

A European version was also proposed, called “Moutarde”, this further confused the UK government, and was similarly cancelled.
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The only British programme that ever used this arrangement successfully was the Thunderbirds!! :D
 
justintime said:
The Soviets were more concerned of the edge Americans would have over them with the use of steroids in more earthy sports like the Olympics. Lance Armstrong is a good example of Russian concern.
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Oh bollocks.

The main reason the Soviets fell behind was because they put all their faith in the N1 rocket, a design that was flawed from the very outset...

Read this link


http://jalopnik.com/this-insane-rocket-is-why-the-soviet-union-never-made-i-1448356326

Now go and get yourself a real education regarding the history of manned flight to the moon, rather than listening to the insane ravings of Bill Kaysing, Jarrah White, Bart Sibrel, Jack White and other associated nut-jobs like them!
 
justintime said:
The only reason conspiracy theories are necessary is because they provide an alternate explanation when the original one cannot pass the mustard test.

1. The Moon Landing. It was well known the Soviets were ahead in the space program and America was lagging behind. The only way to beat the Soviets was to put the American space program of steroids. So all those involved in promoting the space race took them and made a movie of an American astronaut sprinting across the moon surface.
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Please tell me how many successful launches there were of the Soviet N1 rocket?

They weren't ahead, only one of your many many lies.
 
Elvis Justintime has left the building.

Just thought you should know why your comments will get no response.
 
Maybe I missed something, but I don't see what any of this has to do with Stanley Kubrick having faked D.W. Griffith's death.
 
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Dcdrac said:
I am watching this film maybe NASA used footage from it to fake Apollo 13?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marooned_(film)
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Well at least they didn't use the movie "Countdown" to fake Apollo 11.


Look at the "Lunar Module" from that movie

countdown.jpg


A Gemini Capsule perched on atop an Apollo LM descent stage! :eek:
 
Temperature inside the Apollo capsule

When they supposedly traveled to the moon, the Apollo capsule was exposed to direct sunlight during the whole flight. How could the temperature inside the capsule be kept low enough? Did they point the heat shield towards the sun during the entire flight?
 
Anders Lindman said:
When they supposedly traveled to the moon, the Apollo capsule was exposed to direct sunlight during the whole flight. How could the temperature inside the capsule be kept low enough? Did they point the heat shield towards the sun during the entire flight?
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What makes you think that the temperature had to be kept low?
 
Anders Lindman said:
When they supposedly traveled to the moon, the Apollo capsule was exposed to direct sunlight during the whole flight. How could the temperature inside the capsule be kept low enough? Did they point the heat shield towards the sun during the entire flight?
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One side of the capsule faced the sun, getting heated, the other side faced the 2degK of deep space and was cooled. The resultant temperature is the result of proper distribution of reflective surfaces.

This is not just an Apollo issue, this applies to ALL space-craft. Are you implying that ALL space activities, including communication and weather sattelites are hoaxes?

Hans
 
Kid Eager said:
What makes you think that the temperature had to be kept low?
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For the astronauts to survive. I found this:

"The entire basic structure is enveloped by thermal insulation and a micrometeorite shield." -- pp. 2: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/LM04_Lunar_Module_ppLV1-17.pdf

Ok, may have been enough, but the document also mentions active thermal control, pp. 7:

"Active thermal control is provided by the ECS."

The capsule is traveling in the vacuum of empty space. How is the extra heat removed? By expelling hot gas/liquid out into space?
 
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