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Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion - continuation thread

It starts to get boring.

You all know, what is right and what not, but nobody is able to see what is hidden in Wendys pages. How could that fit ?


Hans
Why can you not present your evidence?

Instead you present a claim that Apollo12 is somehow encoded into The Shining. Cut to the chase and show where Apollo 12 is encoded into Wendy's pages.

As to the Room 237 malarkey, that idea is just nonsense. On what basis do you remove the extraneous R? Because you WANT to. No other reason.

It is no different than if I took your user name, removed an N and added a P to get "has pepper", thereby concluding that you use a lot of pepper on your food.

Similarly, you could take my user name and by fooling around with letters, come up with "Abandon", and thereby conclude that I had a deep seated need to abandon something, which, of course, you could then endlessly speculate about.

Such games amount to nothing.
 
More fanciful claims from Aulis concerning Apollo 17, albeit, 40 years after the fact!
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Harrison Schmitt would have unquestionably understood the potentially fatal consequences of frolicking on rock and glass shards putting himself a mere razor’s edge from oblivion. Yet despite this obvious danger, the logical Schmitt actually keelhauled his relatively vulnerable spacesuit over identical shards to those that destroyed the container seals
http://aulis.com/sickman.htm

No mention is made in the Apollo 17 debrief of any sample containers being compromised, (to the LM atmosphere) is there any truth that “Shards of glass” could have compromising Smitt’s spacesuit, or the sample containers seals? There is mention however that “sample bags” “blew up".

Who is David Orbell anyway?

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17tecdbrf.html
 
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More fanciful claims from Aulis concerning Apollo 17, albeit, 40 years after the fact!
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Harrison Schmitt would have unquestionably understood the potentially fatal consequences of frolicking on rock and glass shards putting himself a mere razor’s edge from oblivion. Yet despite this obvious danger, the logical Schmitt actually keelhauled his relatively vulnerable spacesuit over identical shards to those that destroyed the container seals
http://aulis.com/sickman.htm

No mention is made in the Apollo 17 debrief of any sample containers being compromised, (to the LM atmosphere) is there any truth that “Shards of glass” could have compromising Smitt’s spacesuit, or the sample containers seals? There is mention however that “sample bags” “blew up".

Who is David Orbell anyway?

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17tecdbrf.html

Well what they're doing is assuming that SiO2 (or as we scientists call it: sand) fused together from impacts and then degraded over time is the equivalent of this:

http://artandcritique.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/broken2.jpg

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Changed hotlinked image to regular link. Please see Rule 5.


when in fact it has pretty much turned back into sand again. Silica is indeed very abrasive - it's the primary ingredient in pumice stone and of course it's why sandpaper works, but it does not automatically slice flesh to the bone through layers of protective garments. It's hyperbole run riot.

While some lunar samples were in sealed boxes, anyone who has ever tried to seal anything in a box knows that nothing is perfect, and dust on a seal will do a fine job of not allowing the seal to work perfectly. Of course once you have a NASA badge on this automatically means some foul and sinister purpose to your failings at sample sealing.

The rest of it is the usual blah blah we don't believe it opinion. There's even an outright lie in there about there being a lack of interest in the Apollo samples. The samples are still being analysed and reported on even now. The fact that they don't know about them is not at all surprising.

Orbell's hit piece is nothing more than pointing fingers and knowing nods and winks. There is nothing in there that resembles anything but hot air.

I've no idea who Orbell is, but he publishes on Aulis, which says all you need to know about him.
 
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More fanciful claims from Aulis concerning Apollo 17, albeit, 40 years after the fact!
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Harrison Schmitt would have unquestionably understood the potentially fatal consequences of frolicking on rock and glass shards putting himself a mere razor’s edge from oblivion. Yet despite this obvious danger, the logical Schmitt actually keelhauled his relatively vulnerable spacesuit over identical shards to those that destroyed the container seals
http://aulis.com/sickman.htm

This simply a load of ignorant handwaving that begs the question of the hazard. "Razor's edge from oblivion" and "obvious danger" and "relatively vulnerable" are scare words that do not even remotely approach an accurate description.

No mention is made in the Apollo 17 debrief of any sample containers being compromised, (to the LM atmosphere)

The SESC seal damage wasn't known at the time the crew debrief had been conducted, nor would that have been a topic for the crew debriefing. The first mention in the literature of possible contamination due to in-flight seal failure is in 1973. It has been discussed several times in the engineering literature as we contemplate a return to the Moon and more viable seal types.

The author here wants to make it sound as if NASA has kept this secret for decades. But in fact it's just the author's ignorance of the literature. Given that his article is single-sourced and relies exclusively on secondary and tertiary sources, he cannot be expected to speak from a well-informed position.

is there any truth that “Shards of glass” could have compromising Smitt’s spacesuit, or the sample containers seals?

None whatsoever, where the suit is concerned. The author here just frantically begs the question that the astronauts were in mortal danger of having their suits punctured by spherule shards. Apollo 11 was asked to be careful because the hazards of the lunar environment were not well known at that time. But by Apollo 17 there had been enough operational experience with the lunar surface environment. It was reasonably known that the abrasion or puncture hazard for the A7L space suit was almost negligible.

Lunar spherules are typically 0.1 mm in diameter. Their shards can obviously be no longer than this diameter. They pose absolutely no danger for the suit. They can, in some cases, work their way into the Beta cloth weave, but go no farther than the first polyamide layers. A dozen thicknesses of that alternated with cloth have to be breached before the pressure garment is reached. The outer Beta cloth layer is similar to the stuff gym bags are made of, only tougher.

For the SESC and SRC seals, yes small particles such as spherule fragments do pose a danger. See below.

There is mention however that “sample bags” “blew up".

The container in question is the SESC, which is a small self-contained tube. It used the same seal mechanism as the SRCs, which are briefcased-sized and held Teflon bags of individual samples: a knife edge that is driven by a highly-leveraged clamp mechanism into a strip of soft metal alloy. Spherule and regolith particles driven into the alloy by the blade edge leave grooves behind them, and air can enter through the pressure side of the groove and pass between the knife edge and the contaminant particle into the corresponding groove on the vacuum side.

Who is David Orbell anyway?

Well, apparently someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. There's an email address in the Aulis article, so you can email him and ask him. The name doesn't stand out as notable among Apollo historians, professional or amateur.
 
I was wondering if there was any official response they had for leaks. At a certain point in SF literature you couldn't turn around without an astronaut-hero slapping a patch on his trusty space suit.

My guess was, given the relatively low pressure differential, response to a significant tear in the pressure bladder would be, "So much for the EVA, I'm going back inside now."

Or possibly slap some duck tape on it.

But was there a more official contingency that anyone has heard about?
 
Orbell sounds like he wants to take the "argument from medical incredulity" mantle from Dr. Socks.
 
I was wondering if there was any official response they had for leaks. At a certain point in SF literature you couldn't turn around without an astronaut-hero slapping a patch on his trusty space suit.

My guess was, given the relatively low pressure differential, response to a significant tear in the pressure bladder would be, "So much for the EVA, I'm going back inside now."

Or possibly slap some duck tape on it.

But was there a more official contingency that anyone has heard about?


Apollo 11 Patch Kit at Smithsonian NASM
 
Question.

How exactly does Apollo 13 fit into the conspiracy that we never landed on the Moon? Why would NASA fake a failed mission?
 
My standard response to CTs is that A13 is the only one that actually landed, and the "accident" was cover in case the astronauts were so fried by the "searing radiation hell" on the surface of the moon that they would need to scuttle the crew. All the other missions, I tell them, were faked in underground caverns in Siberia made by underground nuclear test explosions.
 
My standard response to CTs is that A13 is the only one that actually landed, and the "accident" was cover in case the astronauts were so fried by the "searing radiation hell" on the surface of the moon that they would need to scuttle the crew. All the other missions, I tell them, were faked in underground caverns in Siberia made by underground nuclear test explosions.

Do you have a brochure or pamphlet to which I may subscribe?
 
Do you have a brochure or pamphlet to which I may subscribe?

IF you meet the criteria to become a paid NASA shill you will get the internal newsletter "ReBunk'r" about two days after each paycheck where you will learn about such things as "Searing Radiation Hell," "How to fill a cave with vacuum" and one of our favorite articles "Flying A Quarter Million Miles On a Thimble Full of Fuel."
 
IF you meet the criteria to become a paid NASA shill you will get the internal newsletter "ReBunk'r" about two days after each paycheck where you will learn about such things as "Searing Radiation Hell," "How to fill a cave with vacuum" and one of our favorite articles "Flying A Quarter Million Miles On a Thimble Full of Fuel."

Great! Those titles were all classified! I refer you to policy number [redacted] issued on [redacted]. Now we have to send you to [redacted] to [redacted]!
 
This should keep the moon hoaxers in general and the cluesforum in particular busy for a bit:

"China’s Chang’e-3 and the lunar rover Yutu (Jade Rabbit) have landed on the lunar surface at 1:11 pm UTC on Saturday. The duo were launched by a Long March 3B on December 1, which was followed by a nominal flight into lunar orbit and subsequently China’s first soft landing on the Moon."

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/12/china-jade-rabbit-lunar-arrival/

Apparently the moon rover is already transmitting pictures for the conspiracy theorists to "analyze". Let's see if they show stars in the background.
 
Because....well...just because, duh!!

That crater looks big enough (just) to visible on the LRO photos - any co-ordinates yet?
 

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