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Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion - continuation thread

wogoga said:
We could also speculate why "skeptics" believe so strongly in the truth of the Apollo program,
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Because I've worked in this field for over a quarter-century. Because I have degrees and practical experience in physics and education. Because my job has taken me to Hangar S where Mercury was prepared and to Chamber B where the LM was tested and to pads 39 A and B where Apollo flights left for the Moon and to the FCRs and backrooms where the missions were controlled. Because I've worked for guys like Caldwell Johnson and Max Faget and talked a lot with regulars here and on other forums who have studied Apollo in great detail - way more than me - but I've looked at some of the record too and, unlike you, have some idea what I'm talking about.

wogoga said:
despite all the evidence to the contrary.
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You pointing at things you don't understand isn't evidence.
 
wogoga said:
We could also speculate why "skeptics" believe so strongly in the truth of the Apollo program, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
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Because the bolded is an outright lie, there is no evidence the Apollo program was faked, in fact there isn't even a credible theory for how it could have been faked. On the other hand there is a mountain of evidence that the landings were real. You clearly don't understand the concept of scientific skepticism.
 
wogoga said:
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We could also speculate why "skeptics" believe so strongly in the truth of the Apollo program, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
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I, for one, do not "believe" in the truth of the Apollo Program; I am, instead, convinced of the accuracy of the claims by the sufficiency (even supersufficiency) of the evidence.

Your errors have been pointed out to you. Pretending they have not does not make them magically true...
 
Trump wants send men back to the moon

Donald Trump as a genuinely skeptical person with common sense surely wants to know whether the Apollo missions were real or faked. It is obvious that Trump is kept away from the crucial state secrets (the crimes and hoaxes committed by the Deep State of the United States, the biggest criminal organization of the last decades on Earth). One way to find out the truth of Apollo is pressuring NASA to repeat it.

Quote from Washington Post, 2017-02-15:

"Bob Walker, an adviser to the Trump transition team and a former congressman who chaired the House Science Committee, said Tuesday: 'What I hear being discussed is the potential for sometime within the first Trump term being able to go and do an Apollo 8 mission' -- meaning a lunar orbit mission like the one performed by Apollo 8 in December 1968."​

It is rather unlikely that NASA will be able to repeat the alleged Apollo 8 achievements by 2018 (half a century after Apollo 8).
Even much more unrealistic is repetition of the alleged Apollo 11 achievements of 1969 by 2019.
Cheers, Wolfgang

The Apollo Space Program – A gigantic conspiracy?
 
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wogoga said:
Donald Trump as a genuinely skeptical person....
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Ah hahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You've said a lot of funny things here. That was probably the funniest.


wogoga said:
... with common sense surely wants to know whether the Apollo missions were real or faked. It is obvious that Trump is kept away from the crucial state secrets (the crimes and hoaxes committed by the Deep State of the United States, the biggest criminal organization of the last decades on Earth). One way to find out the truth of Apollo is pressuring NASA to repeat it.

Quote from Washington Post, 2017-02-15:

"Bob Walker, an adviser to the Trump transition team and a former congressman who chaired the House Science Committee, said Tuesday: 'What I hear being discussed is the potential for sometime within the first Trump term being able to go and do an Apollo 8 mission' -- meaning a lunar orbit mission like the one performed by Apollo 8 in December 1968."​

It is rather unlikely that NASA will be able to repeat the alleged Apollo 8 achievements by 2018 (half a century after Apollo 8).

Even much more unrealistic is repetition of the alleged Apollo 11 achievements of 1969 by 2019.
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It is unlikely that EM-1 will repeat the lunar-orbit mission originally executed by Apollo 8 next year. I know why, because I work on this program, and unlike you I know what I'm talking about. If you be ever bothered to learn something, rather than simply regurgitating context-free factoids and plugging your ears when people try to educate you, you could know as well. But then you'd also have to give up your ignorant delusions about "faked" missions, and you're clearly unwilling to grow up enough to do that.
 
You have a big problem wogoga if you think you can some here, to this forum, and get away with spouting the same baseless, ignorant claims, which have been debunked numerous times over the last 30+ years, and which failed to get you any traction at apollohoax.net.

This is because the people who handed you your arse on a plate there are the same people who will embarrass you with another hiding here.... and for the removal of doubt, they are people who are either very knowledgeable about these programs, or who actually work in them. These are aerospace and aeronautical engineers and technicians as well as physicists and other people with real expertise and a lifetime of experience in these areas; areas by the way that you clearly demonstrate that you are totally ignorant in.
 
wogoga said:
Donald Trump as a genuinely skeptical person with common sense surely wants to know whether the Apollo missions were real or faked. It is obvious that Trump is kept away from the crucial state secrets (the crimes and hoaxes committed by the Deep State of the United States, the biggest criminal organization of the last decades on Earth). One way to find out the truth of Apollo is pressuring NASA to repeat it.

Quote from Washington Post, 2017-02-15:

"Bob Walker, an adviser to the Trump transition team and a former congressman who chaired the House Science Committee, said Tuesday: 'What I hear being discussed is the potential for sometime within the first Trump term being able to go and do an Apollo 8 mission' -- meaning a lunar orbit mission like the one performed by Apollo 8 in December 1968."​

It is rather unlikely that NASA will be able to repeat the alleged Apollo 8 achievements by 2018 (half a century after Apollo 8).
Even much more unrealistic is repetition of the alleged Apollo 11 achievements of 1969 by 2019.
Cheers, Wolfgang

The Apollo Space Program – A gigantic conspiracy?
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Depends on how Trump decides to fund NASA doesn't it?
Military spending will be up but most other government agencies will see cuts.

Just like da wall, nothing will be built, or accomplished, if there isn't money to do it.
GWB wanted to go to Mars, iirc. Did not happen,,,,, no money allocated.
 
The standard tale of our moon's formation may need a rewrite

From How Earth got its moon, 2017:

And here's why some astronomers have come to doubt Theia was real: If it smashed into Earth and helped form the moon, then the moon should look like a hybrid of Earth and Theia. Yet studies of lunar rocks show that the chemical composition of Earth and its moon are exactly the same. So that planet-on-planet impact story appears to have some holes in it.​

Maybe this "planet-on-planet impact story" simply stems from a wrong premise, namely the premise that "Apollo lunar samples" are genuine lunar rocks.
Cheers, Wolfgang

The Apollo Space Program – A gigantic conspiracy?
Age and Origin of our Planetary System as a Supernova-Remnant
 
wogoga said:
From How Earth got its moon, 2017:

And here's why some astronomers have come to doubt Theia was real: If it smashed into Earth and helped form the moon, then the moon should look like a hybrid of Earth and Theia. Yet studies of lunar rocks show that the chemical composition of Earth and its moon are exactly the same. So that planet-on-planet impact story appears to have some holes in it.​

Maybe this "planet-on-planet impact story" simply stems from a wrong premise, namely the premise that "Apollo lunar samples" are genuine lunar rocks.
Cheers, Wolfgang

The Apollo Space Program – A gigantic conspiracy?
Age and Origin of our Planetary System as a Supernova-Remnant
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How do you explain the Soviet sample return missions Luna 16, 20 & 24 and what they brought back?
 
If one reads the entire article, Apollo missions happened and brought back samples, the origin of which may or may not have been a collision with Thiea. Quit cherry picking exerts to bolster your hoax beliefs.
 
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wogoga said:
Maybe this "planet-on-planet impact story" simply stems from a wrong premise, namely the premise that "Apollo lunar samples" are genuine lunar rocks.
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From the article you quoted

"If Theia formed at around the same distance from the sun as Earth, it would therefore contain mostly the same material, (says Nicolas Dauphas, a planetary scientist at the University of Chicago in Illinois). So if the moon formed largely from a Theia collision with Earth, it makes sense that moon rocks today would have a similar recipe to Earth. "

Just because two rocks have the same chemical composition does not automatically make them the same. Graphite and diamond have the same chemical composition... they are pure carbon... but they are obviously not the same... their properties are vastly different.

There are also a number of other reasons why we KNOW that the rocks and materials brought back by the Apollo missions actually did come from the moon and not the Earth.

The Lunar samples show evidence of having been formed in a very dry environment, in low gravity (but not zero gravity) and with almost no surrounding oxygen. They have are also been found to contain trapped gases from their exposure to the solar wind at the time they were formed. These properties are not observed in any rock samples found in the Earth.

So, once again, you exhibit all the usual traits of the typical moon hoax nut. You have 0.1% of the story and you think this means you can just extrapolate that as the other 99.9% to give you the whole story.

Science doesn't work like that, only ignorance does.
 
wogoga said:
Donald Trump as a genuinely skeptical person with common sense surely wants to know whether the Apollo missions were real or faked. ... One way to find out the truth of Apollo is pressuring NASA to repeat it.
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I think Donald Trump merely yearns to be perceived as big-dicked as JFK.
Heck, he'll propose to win a war against the Southern USA next to become Abe's equal.
 
wogoga said:
Donald Trump as a genuinely skeptical person with common sense surely wants to know whether the Apollo missions were real or faked. It is obvious that Trump is kept away from the crucial state secrets (the crimes and hoaxes committed by the Deep State of the United States, the biggest criminal organization of the last decades on Earth). One way to find out the truth of Apollo is pressuring NASA to repeat it.

Quote from Washington Post, 2017-02-15:

"Bob Walker, an adviser to the Trump transition team and a former congressman who chaired the House Science Committee, said Tuesday: 'What I hear being discussed is the potential for sometime within the first Trump term being able to go and do an Apollo 8 mission' -- meaning a lunar orbit mission like the one performed by Apollo 8 in December 1968."​

It is rather unlikely that NASA will be able to repeat the alleged Apollo 8 achievements by 2018 (half a century after Apollo 8).
Even much more unrealistic is repetition of the alleged Apollo 11 achievements of 1969 by 2019.
Cheers, Wolfgang

The Apollo Space Program – A gigantic conspiracy?
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Good for him. What mission is he sending to check? None? OK then.
 
wogoga said:
Donald Trump as a genuinely skeptical person with common sense surely wants to know whether the Apollo missions were real or faked. It is obvious that Trump is kept away from the crucial state secrets (the crimes and hoaxes committed by the Deep State of the United States, the biggest criminal organization of the last decades on Earth). One way to find out the truth of Apollo is pressuring NASA to repeat it. ...
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You might be right, Trump thinks Obama was tapping his phones, why not go full insane and deny the moon landings, in a super tweet.

The Deep State, is that the one at 120 feet in the ocean? Where do you get this woo?

If Donald denies the moon missions, he will be declared insane, and we might be stuck with Pence, and no more super presidential tweets. One the most insane anti-science conspiracy theories is denial of the moon missions.

LOL, yes, pressure NASA to repeat the moon missions with? It takes a whole lot of money. That is funny. Like asking me to repeat my 4:52 mile, or my 9:47 two mile, except NASA can do it with the right amount of money. I am not sure money can get me back up to a 7:30 mile and a half.

Do you really believe the silly moon landing/mission denial act? What do your relatives say? Friends? Dog? Cat? wow

"common sense" playing the card of woo... "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen" - Albert Einstein
 
wogoga said:
Donald Trump as a genuinely skeptical person with common sense
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A controversial statement, to say the least. :eye-poppi

wogoga said:
[who] surely wants to know whether the Apollo missions were real or faked. It is obvious that Trump is kept away from the crucial state secrets (the crimes and hoaxes committed by the Deep State of the United States, the biggest criminal organization of the last decades on Earth). One way to find out the truth of Apollo is pressuring NASA to repeat it.
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If the POTUS and all his appointees cannot put pressure on NASA, why on earth (pun intended) do you think that a few posts on an obscure internet forum wlll achieve anything? Or, if by 'pressure', you mean Trump's mulling of a repetition of those missions, the same still stands: if the Evil Them won't tell him "what really happened", then there is zero chance they will expose themselves and their Dastardly Plot by agreeing to lauch a mission that they know cannot succeed.
Then there is the consideration that, if NASA faked it once, there is nothing to stop them faking it again- or, if they actually are successful, to stop conspiracy theorists claiming it was faked.
Tell me, wogoga, if NASA- or any other space agency- succesfully repeats these missions, will you accept this and stop claiming hoaxes?
 
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