Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

[catsmate]

I wear glasses, did 6 years of physics in school, have two PhDs, completely unrelated to pretty much everything, except for different ways of using words, and have several swimming certificates. We do not have cycling proficiency certificates in Sweden, but I have won several regional show jumping championships for children.

I know nothing. But I know that Apollo 11 landed on the moon.

I don't have any swimming certificates, though I have some diving certificates, nor any equestrian awards.
I also have a pair of PhDs, in vastly different subjects.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

No swimming certificates?

Read it properly, you naughty boy: "several certificates for swimming a bit"...That included across the pool in Durham, as well as a bit further and doing some daft things.

 

[Steve]

I have no PhD's, and I have never played a doctor on tv. But I do understand basic science, including physics, reasonably well. And I sometimes wear reading glasses.

 

[Smock]

I've had enough physics to get a degree in Software Engineering, which is to say less than every other Engineering degree, except maybe a train Engineer. But I still guarantee I've had more than Vixen.

 

[Thermal]

I wear like really stylish sunglasses, keep pretending I don't need reading glasses, and play doctor at any opportunity, yet still, I don't think any of the dumb ass ◊◊◊◊ I've been reading here.

 

[JayUtah]

TETR's purpose was to train ground staff in acquiring an orbital target, handing over between ground stations, and seeing how well they dealt with voice transmission. They were of little use in simulating lunar transmissions because they were not in orbit around the moon.

This matters because LEO spacecraft move too fast for the 60-70 m dishes to track, except during the minute or so when they are low on the horizon. TETR training operations used the 9-meter dishes, which cannot receive enough bandwidth for television but can slew fast enough. The only MSFN/DSN dish capable both of tracking LEO objects and receiving television was Honeysuckle Creek (26 m). In any case the TETR satellites could not transmit enough bandwidth for television. And in any case they were clearly in LEO, not at the Moon in any way. Allen and Weaver are simply factually wrong when they claim TETR satellites were meant to simulate signals coming from the Moon. There is absolutely no way a signal from a TETR satellite could be mistaken for one coming from the Moon.

Just for fun, here's TETR-B in action:

https://www.dd1us.de/sounds/68100B.mp3

Plenty of Doppler but you can't dance to it.

 

[JayUtah]

The glasses on my avatar are fake. I wear real ones now and have more PhDs and engineering licenses than that guy. I make my living doing physics, and have taught others to make their living doing physics.

Anyone can learn enough science to understand how Apollo worked. It's not common knowledge, but it's by no means secret or inaccessible knowledge. It isn't "classified until 2070" or any such nonsense. You simply have to want to understand it and find someone who is willing to explain it to you.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Plenty of Doppler but you can't dance to it.

Early S-band was way better. The later videos were too slick and commercial. Buncha sellouts.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Early S-band was way better. The later videos were too slick and commercial. Buncha sellouts.

You're sure you don't mean S-club 7?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Read it properly, you naughty boy: "several certificates for swimming a bit"...That included across the pool in Durham, as well as a bit further and doing some daft things.

Doh, skim reading while walking, soz! So BSc, SSc?

 

[catsmate]

I've had enough physics to get a degree in Software Engineering, which is to say less than every other Engineering degree, except maybe a train Engineer. But I still guarantee I've had more than Vixen.

I tutored SoftEng students in physics while I was at college.

 

[wollery]

I have worn glasses since I was 8, did my schooling in Middlesex, where I studied O level physics, maths and other sciences, A level physics and maths, completed a BSc in Astrophysics with the University of London, a postgraduate teaching degree at the University of London, and a PhD in Astrophysics at LJMU. I have worked as a high school teacher, a research astrophysicist, and a private tutor, and have taught students from age 9 through secondary to MPhil and PhD level.

I therefore have two main fields of expertise, namely physics (and particularly astrophysics) and education.

I stand by my assessment from a few months ago that many of my 13 year old students understand physics better than Vixen, and in my opinion, backed by decades of experience, and based on her statements about physics in this forum, Vixen would most likely fail the GCSE higher physics exam were she to take it today.

 

[threadworm]

Plenty of Doppler but you can't dance to it.

Needs more cowbell.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Read it properly, you naughty boy: "several certificates for swimming a bit"...That included across the pool in Durham, as well as a bit further and doing some daft things.

BSC?

 

[Foster Zygote]

Ooh I think I know the answer to this one! Is it because:

Those figures of hers make no sense. What does she mean by the earth is moving 3,600 km/h? She can't be referring to the tangential motion at the equator because that's about 1,670 km/h. Or perhaps she was referring to earth's average orbital velocity of 29.78 km/s, but tried to convert it to km/h and forgot to go beyond calculating the number of seconds in an hour? As for the moon moving at 3 km/h, its equatorial tangential velocity averages about 16.25 km/h, and its orbital velocity averages about 3,679 km/h. Even Apollo 15, which landed the farthest from the lunar equator at 26.13° north, would have had an average tangential velocity of about 14.6 km/h.

Even the fact that she's talking about target tracking in terms of km/h instead of degrees of arc per unit of time betrays her failure to grasp the issue.

 

[Axxman300]

Have you ever heard a conspiracy theorist's argument that you didn't think seems plausible? If so, what was it?

She doesn't believe in ghosts. As a ghost hunter this works in my favor.

No, you have misunderstood. The point was that the logistics would have been far too arduous, given it was 1969 and they were working from a cribsheet.

The fact you are comfortable writing this reveals the depth of your lack of knowledge on this subject, and technology in general. The technological evolution which occurred between 1941 and 1970 is largely unparalleled in human history in its scope. While going to the moon wasn't easy, it wasn't arduous as witnessed by the fact we did it multiple times. Apollo 11 was two years behind schedule as a result of Apollo 1. The fact is we could have landed on the moon two years earlier, and even in those two years the technologies leapfrogged again, but the Saturn V was already middle-aged tech.

And more to the point, it's not like we have no records for what life was like in 1969. TV news archives are accessible, and vintage network TV shows of the day are available online. Landing on the moon was a historic technological feat, but not incongruent with the advanced technologies of the time.

 

[Axxman300]

For the record I wear glasses to read, I have ribbons from my time on the local swim team as a youth, have an AA in Creative Writing from Monterey Peninsula College where I also earned an award for my writing, and during my return to college I took a number of science classes (Marine Science, Marine Biology, Environmental Science, and Geology). Couldn't take chemistry until I passed the Algebra program (which I did not), and the physics teacher said he would talk to any student until they'd finished Calculus). I managed a hobby shop where I built over 40 airplane models for display on the ceiling, and I maintained a quality selection of books on air and space craft (Osprey Publishing, and Squadron-Signal), and I read ALL of them.

Not an expert, but I understand aerospace on a functional level.

 

[Andy_Ross]

She doesn't believe in ghosts. As a ghost hunter this works in my favor.

The fact you are comfortable writing this reveals the depth of your lack of knowledge on this subject, and technology in general. The technological evolution which occurred between 1941 and 1970 is largely unparalleled in human history in its scope. While going to the moon wasn't easy, it wasn't arduous as witnessed by the fact we did it multiple times. Apollo 11 was two years behind schedule as a result of Apollo 1. The fact is we could have landed on the moon two years earlier, and even in those two years the technologies leapfrogged again, but the Saturn V was already middle-aged tech.

And more to the point, it's not like we have no records for what life was like in 1969. TV news archives are accessible, and vintage network TV shows of the day are available online. Landing on the moon was a historic technological feat, but not incongruent with the advanced technologies of the time.

Lots of people remember 1969. I certainly do.

 

[Steve]

Lots of people remember 1969. I certainly do.

Vixen doesn't. To Vixen it is a part of the mysterious past where nothing was as it seemed.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Doh, skim reading while walking, soz! So BSc, SSc?

BSc (Sp Hons).