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Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

Vixen said:
Dear me, Jesse Custer. Let's put this into perspective: satellite TV didn't happen til 1962, okay but long in development since post-war. Telstar was very quickly obsolete due to earlier mentioned problems and the ensuing Syncom system quickly became too expensive. But wait. Kennedy pledged to put a man on the Moon when it could barely blueprint a decent satellite. So in the pics that supposedly been transmitted by SSTV barely developed since John Logie Baird's TV system of the 1920's ten frames per sec via two receivers in Australia with the audio needing a delay of six seconds (speed of sound and all that) which needed SSTV decoding and revised into worldwide transmissible format in order to go out.

But the Moon is also round and moving, albeit at about 3 km per hour, compared to Earth's 3,600 k per hour (IIRC), so Houston we have a problem!
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No, we don't. For reasons that should be obvious to anyone of normal intelligence.
 
Vixen said:
Dear me, Jesse Custer. Let's put this into perspective: satellite TV didn't happen til 1962, okay but long in development since post-war. Telstar was very quickly obsolete due to earlier mentioned problems and the ensuing Syncom system quickly became too expensive. But wait. Kennedy pledged to put a man on the Moon when it could barely blueprint a decent satellite. So in the pics that supposedly been transmitted by SSTV barely developed since John Logie Baird's TV system of the 1920's ten frames per sec via two receivers in Australia with the audio needing a delay of six seconds (speed of sound and all that) which needed SSTV decoding and revised into worldwide transmissible format in order to go out.

But the Moon is also round and moving, albeit at about 3 km per hour, compared to Earth's 3,600 k per hour (IIRC), so Houston we have a problem!

Think about the exercise when you positioned yourself next to a moving car. Now imagine it is going at 50mph and you are moving slower. What anomalies would you expect to see in your video, without your repositioning yourself?

Think of the car as travelling on a large beach ball four times the size of the beach ball you are on alongside of it*; with its beach ball turning almost 3,600/3 times faster than yours, meaning synchronicity is slightly off, even though with your slow spin, the difference is about 3 or 4 km behind the car every X seconds and always needing to catch up. The resulting images should theoretically reflect this anomaly - the images showing a constant catching up - just as it appears to reflect the sound delay.

notandum: Compare and contrast how quickly the Moon's shadow passes across the Sun in a solar eclipse as viewed from a set spot on Earth for an idea of how quickly you could lose the picture if the camera is not in a selenostationary position.

*Assumption: both beach balls are suspended in a vacuum and revolving freely in the same direction disregarding azimuth aspects and orbit angles.
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In the time it took you to write that wall of Bollocks you could have just looked up how it actually works.

Sorry, I forgot, you already know but you just want to keep your joke going.
 
Vixen said:
So in the pics that supposedly been transmitted by SSTV barely developed since John Logie Baird's TV system of the 1920's ten frames per sec via two receivers in Australia with the audio needing a delay of six seconds (speed of sound and all that) which needed SSTV decoding and revised into worldwide transmissible format in order to go out.
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Is anyone at all surprised that @Vixen thinks electromagnetic signals transmit the encoded audio of a television signal at a different speed from the encoded video?

I'm not.

If it's really, really stupid, we can count on @Vixen to believe it.
 
Vixen said:
Dear me, Jesse Custer. Let's put this into perspective: satellite TV didn't happen til 1962, okay but long in development since post-war. Telstar was very quickly obsolete due to earlier mentioned problems and the ensuing Syncom system quickly became too expensive. But wait. Kennedy pledged to put a man on the Moon when it could barely blueprint a decent satellite. So in the pics that supposedly been transmitted by SSTV barely developed since John Logie Baird's TV system of the 1920's ten frames per sec via two receivers in Australia with the audio needing a delay of six seconds (speed of sound and all that) which needed SSTV decoding and revised into worldwide transmissible format in order to go out.

But the Moon is also round and moving, albeit at about 3 km per hour, compared to Earth's 3,600 k per hour (IIRC), so Houston we have a problem!

Think about the exercise when you positioned yourself next to a moving car. Now imagine it is going at 50mph and you are moving slower. What anomalies would you expect to see in your video, without your repositioning yourself?

Think of the car as travelling on a large beach ball four times the size of the beach ball you are on alongside of it*; with its beach ball turning almost 3,600/3 times faster than yours, meaning synchronicity is slightly off, even though with your slow spin, the difference is about 3 or 4 km behind the car every X seconds and always needing to catch up. The resulting images should theoretically reflect this anomaly - the images showing a constant catching up - just as it appears to reflect the sound delay.

notandum: Compare and contrast how quickly the Moon's shadow passes across the Sun in a solar eclipse as viewed from a set spot on Earth for an idea of how quickly you could lose the picture if the camera is not in a selenostationary position.

*Assumption: both beach balls are suspended in a vacuum and revolving freely in the same direction disregarding azimuth aspects and orbit angles.
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Signals from spacecraft in deep space have enough beamwidth to illuminate the entire visible disc of the Earth. NASA simply needs to keep a big enough antenna pointed at the spacecraft.

Tracking and maintaining communication with a vessel in LEO is actually more challenging.

There *are* additional challenges with streaming continuous live tv from the moon, but they are all at the transmission end; a satellite won't help you. If you do some actual research, you could learn more about how NASA met those challenges.

Is the Ingenuity footage I posted earlier fake?
 
I am slightly curious to know what the signals were that Vixen says needed a 6 second delay to the sound in order to let the video catch up. Does anyone recognise the reference to 6 seconds?

A hop off a geostationary satellite introduces about a quarter second delay. A hop to the moon and back is about two and a half seconds so the astronauts would have that much extra delay in replying to ground control. It's hard to see where you could accumulate six seconds delay on video.

Without looking it up I honestly don't know what the signal paths were for video and audio between Australia and the US. Does anyone happen to know?
 
Vixen said:
But wait. Kennedy pledged to put a man on the Moon when it could barely blueprint a decent satellite
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No, but we could launch missiles from Kansas that could hit Moscow when JFK made that pledge, and the Soviets could do the same in our direction. In that moment he made that speech there was a mountain of new technologies already on the drawing boards of Grumman, Lockheed, McDonald Douglas, Raytheon, and in the labs of MIT, Lawrence Livermore, and Sandia that would make 1969 almost unrecognizable to the people of 1961-1963. And not just in the United States, worldwide technology and science would bound forward in the 1960s in ways the human race had never seen before.

To ignore this is stupid.

Vixen said:
But the Moon is also round and moving, albeit at about 3 km per hour, compared to Earth's 3,600 k per hour (IIRC), so Houston we have a problem!
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No problem for those who paid attention in junior high school. See, it's called "A Straight Line". The guys on the moon point their antenna back to earth, and send their signals. That's it, that's all she wrote. Thanks for playing.

Vixen said:
Think about the exercise when you positioned yourself next to a moving car. Now imagine it is going at 50mph and you are moving slower. What anomalies would you expect to see in your video, without your repositioning yourself?
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This has nothing to do with sending radio signals between the earth and the moon. Nothing. This is a worthless example demonstrating your inability to grasp the subject matter on any level.

Vixen said:
Think of the car as travelling on a large beach ball four times the size of the beach ball you are on alongside of it*; with its beach ball turning almost 3,600/3 times faster than yours, meaning synchronicity is slightly off, even though with your slow spin, the difference is about 3 or 4 km behind the car every X seconds and always needing to catch up. The resulting images should theoretically reflect this anomaly - the images showing a constant catching up - just as it appears to reflect the sound delay.
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No, how about you think of the beachball as having a circumference of 24,901 miles. That way you'll understand how dumb this example really is. In Vixen World people should get speeding tickets because their parked cars are traveling at 1,040mph. Relativity is a thing. If I'm on a 747 and I drop my pen to the floor the result is the same as if I drop that same pen in my house, even though - technically - that pen is moving at over 500mph. And we're talking radio waves, not filming something between moving objects.

Vixen said:
Compare and contrast how quickly the Moon's shadow passes across the Sun in a solar eclipse as viewed from a set spot on Earth for an idea of how quickly you could lose the picture if the camera is not in a selenostationary position.
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The moon is small and close to the earth, the sun is large, but far away from the earth. This is another stupid example. Please stop until you graduate high school. What does the moon do otherwise? Today we get about 12 hours of the moon, rising at 7:59pm and setting at 7:04am. Why do you think that is?

Oh, and the whole time the moon is overhead the Sea of Tranquility is mostly fixed in one position, so if there was someone with a high gin antenna up there he could talk to Houston, and send video images with no problem, and zero use of a satellite.
 
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