AOL users and Urban Legends

So don't rag on the AOL users- think about how well you'll understand technology half a century from now.

I had a odd experience today - related in a distant way to your message. While at Best Buy getting a new battery for my camcorder, I wandered through the Music section. Looking at the names of the artists in the Rock section I had the sudden realization that I'm not part of the generation that listens to current Rock music (I didn't recognize half the artists!). I'm getting old... ;)

Since I participate in technology as a hobby and as part of my employment, I hope I'm still capable of dealing with it in a few decades! However, I recognize that at some point other priorities may take over and I will no longer keep current - and I'll be come an AOL user! :jaw-dropp

jbs
 
An extension of the "if it's in print, then it must be true" thing?

That's sort of "The Voice of Authority" idea. First it was radio (As in the "War of the Worlds" broadcast.) Then TV (As in all those obnoxious ads that attempt to show credibility by adding "As seen on TV"). More recently the e-mails we are talking about ("Hey, my buddy sent this e-mail to me, so it must be true.") And now we have the tin foil hat crowd of CTers whose evidence is something they found on Youtube. Internet resources aside, it still takes a bit of effort and critical thinking skills to examine far out claims.
 
A point the people at snopes tend to make themselves.

But to paraphrase Captain Kirk, I'd rather trust Snopes' hunches than many other people's certainties.

I have caught Snopes on a couple of errors, one fairly egregious. Don't know if it's been corrected since then or not. But overall I've found them to be very reliable.
 
Looking at the names of the artists in the Rock section I had the sudden realization that I'm not part of the generation that listens to current Rock music (I didn't recognize half the artists!). I'm getting old... ;)
I tend to keep up with anything that is interesting and well done. For the most part, there is very little in current mainstream rock that is either one, let alone both. Not that I'm claiming "music was better in my day", because I can remember a whole lot of crap from my childhood as well. But musical trends do to in cycles, and there will be peaks and valleys in the availability of really good music. Right now we're in a valley, with all the lame, talentless, cookie-cutter hip-hop, nu-metal, pop-industrial, corp-rock "alterna", and so on. Same sort of valley that preceeded the birth of Punk/New Wave and Grunge. It's generally related to the control of the music industry by big conglomerates and their refusal to releaase anything outside of the same trite formula. It's generally followed shortly by an explosion of indie labels and "underground" bands (like Stiff Records in the '70s, SubPop in the '80s) I expect they'll be another major shakeup before much longer. It's pretty much already starting, but through self-publishing and Internet distribution. The death of MP3.com set it back a few years, but it's still chugging right along.
Since I participate in technology as a hobby and as part of my employment, I hope I'm still capable of dealing with it in a few decades! However, I recognize that at some point other priorities may take over and I will no longer keep current - and I'll be come an AOL user!
The main thing that seperates the stereotypical idiot AOL user from those who have a clue has nothing to do with age, or necessarily even native intelligence. It is simply the willingness to learn. During the years I did tech support I encountered plenty of idiot lusers, AOL and otherwise, young and old. I also encountered a number of older users who actually had a clue what they were doing, and weren't complete 'tards when it came to technology. It really has nothing to do with age. Hell, my dad never touched a computer in his life until his 50s, then after getting laid off (from Boeing), he spent the next couple years going back to school, and ended up with an MCSE. Have another friend, now in his 50s, who has been a technophile all his life. He's a moderately well-known local nature photographer, and has always embraced new photographic technology, and has kept up with the "digital revolution" (though not become a gadget-head, fortunately), and tends to use a mix of old and new technology, depending on what he's doing.

One caller I was attempting to help with a technical issue stated in one quite clear and succinct phrase exactly what was wrong with her and nearly everyone else like her I've ever had to deal with: "I don't want to learn about this stuff, I just want it to do what I need it to do". An exact quote that has stuck in my head ever since. There's a certain conservative mindset that thinks that the level of education and technology that they experienced as a young adult is all they will ever need to know for the rest of their life. So not only do they not bother to seek out any further education, but they actively resist learning anything new. "I've been this way all my life, and I'm not gonna change now."

This is why we have polititians and citizens' groups trying to dumb the entire 'Net down to a primary-school level. It's easier to legislate against "obscenity" than it is to learn how the technology works, to use it effectively, and to monitor their own childrens' use of it.

And it's not like skeptics are immune to that sort of fossilization of thinking. It's just a short step from skeptic to crank, as certain individuals here have ably demonstrated.
 
My experience is that the more you debunk, the less likely you are to receive the email, but that's only because the person stops including you in their mass spam.

Very true! I think these people tend to see your response as a negative - and respond in kind by removing you from the list. But I suppose it's win-win.
 
I usually try to include two or three references, not just Snopes. I usually check urbanlegends.about.com and tafkac.org, the Webified collection of material from alt.folklore.urban.
 
:jaw-dropp

I got one from a JREF skeptic today !!

:jaw-dropp

It was a myspace bulletin about a California legislative proposal to exterminate all pitbulls.
It took me all of 10 seconds to type out the web-address for snopes and type in "pitbull" as the search term and lo and behold, the first result returned was the entry clearly exposing that particular story as a myth. And if I understand correctly, the proposal was in fact already approved and signed into law well over a year ago, to boot.

Some things just sound too far fetched right from the start, and yet, if they hit the right heartstring, apparently all rationality is lost ...

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I have to add, in all fairness, that the page says it was last updated two days ago, which means it might not have been created until two days ago, meaning the aforementioned JREF-skeptic might actually have checked snopes and not found anything.
 
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The main thing that seperates the stereotypical idiot AOL user from those who have a clue has nothing to do with age, or necessarily even native intelligence. It is simply the willingness to learn.

I'm not sure even this is the whole story, there seems to be a large proportion of people that just cannot seem to grasp how to learn how to use a computer. My parents are a great example. They are not stupid by any standards, they both use computers a lot and my father has owned one pretty much since home computers existed. And yet they are both somehow completely incapable, no matter how much I teach them or how much they read, of actually learning how a computer works, or that Word is not the same as Windows or that the interweb is not some big magical thing that eats you if you press the wrong button. The things is, if they need to learn a specific task they are fine, and I'm sure they can do spreadsheets way better than I will ever be able.

The problem seems to be that evey new thing is treated as an entirely new thing, so even if it has exactly the same layout and menus, they still won't be able to use it until taught. No doubt there are many people who simply refuse to learn, but there seem to be an awful lot that either don't understand how to learn, or don't understand that a lot of the time there is nothing to learn. Switching from IE to Firefox makes no difference because all the buttons are in the same place and do the same thing, yet because it's orange and says Firefox on it, it is seen as something big and scary and takes weeks to learn.
 
Cuddles, I know what you mean.
I'll be trying to explain some program (say, Word for example) to a parent/cousin/computer-newb, and I barely just started and they go "whoawhao! Not so fast", and I'm thinking "What? I haven't even opened Word yet, I'm still browsing the menu ..."

And then they start writing down every button I clicked and which menu to find it in and such, and how often I clicked the icons, and so on and so forth.

It's around that point that I realize it's going to take much longer than a few minutes :(

Of course, it doesn't really help that most of those people speak hardly any English, and while their Windows might be a Dutch version, and maybe even their Office software might be Dutch, invariably there's some program that only comes with english menus, and they're completely lost again.

It's actually easier to let people who don't speak any English figure their way around an English environment (they'll know what "edit" and "save" means anyway), than to have them suddenly freeze when the menus are full of, as far as they can tell, computechnogobbledygook.
 
It wasn't from The Repository Of Lost Legends (TROLL) was it?

Nope, both errors were the regular pages. The more egregious one was, as I recall, one of those which is perpetually in dispute, with many people erroneously claiming it to be an urban legend, many people claiming an exaggerated and incorrect version is true. The only reason I knew it to be an error on Snopes part was because of personal knowledge. Unfortunately, this was years ago, and I can't remember what it was, so I can't check and see if they fixed it. I think it was in the technology section.

edited to add: looking through the site i found another minor error with Snopes. The Straight Dope, however, had the correct info.
 
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Dear AOL users

If you simply must forward me chain letters 'that can't be broken', 'totally true' urban legends, and petitions for me to sign against bills that have never been proposed, then at least strip off some of the hundred layers of circulation lists first, so I don't have to wade through all this crap before finding out what it is in your e-mail I have to ignore.

Thank you.

Problem is, we AOL users don't actually see all that information. The AOL mail software hides the headers. All we can see is headers from previous non-AOL forwards than have become part of the text of the e-mail. If it is something that has been internal for a while, there might be several layers of headers included that we never know are there.
 
My sister sent around one of those lists of "amazing true facts," at least a third of which were patently false.

I did a Reply All stating this, adding Snopes links to back it up.

My sister then did a Reply All, saying "Robert, I knew most of it was probably not true, but it was still fun!"

:confused:

To paraphrase HHGTTG: Obviously, this is some definition of the word "fun" with which I am not familiar.
 
I have trouble tolerating the "better safe than sorry" methodology, especially from folks who know me well.

Most of the time I can be patient, but whenever it's some BS about a woman at the mall, who parked far away in the dark, etc., etc.... my eyes start to roll back into my head.
 
Most of the time I can be patient, but whenever it's some BS about a woman at the mall, who parked far away in the dark, etc., etc.... my eyes start to roll back into my head.

Yeah, after a while, you sort of get a good idea about a story's odds of being true just from the way it sounds.
 
Okay, my mom forwarded this to me yesterday. Sorry about the punctuation; that's the way she got it.

To All My Friends Who Have Barraged Me with e-mails,
Thought I Would Show My Appreciation With A Big Thanks:

To Whoever Sent Me the One about Rat crap in the glue on envelopes because I Now Have To Use A Wet Towel with Every Envelope That Needs Sealing -- Also, I Now Have To Scrub the Top of Every Can I open For the Same Reason

I No Longer Have Any Savings Because I Gave It To A Sick Girl (Penny Brown) Who Is About To Die In The Hospital For The 1,387,258th Time But That Will Change Once I Receive The $15,000 That Bill Gates/Microsoft And AOL Are Sending Me For Participating In Their Special E-mail Program.

I No Longer Worry About My Soul Because I Have 363,214 Angels Looking Out For Me, And St. Theresa's Novena Has Granted My Every Wish.

I No Longer Eat KFC Because Their Chickens Are Actually Horrible Mutant Freaks With No Eyes Or Feathers. As Soon As I Get My Free Dinner Coupons From Applebee's, I Can Eat Again.

I No Longer Use Cancer-Causing Deodorants Even Though I Smell Like A Water Buffalo On A Hot Day.

Thanks To You, I've Learned That My Prayers Only Get Answered If I Forward An Email To 7 Of My Friends And Make A Wish Within 5 Minutes.

Because Of Your Concern I No Longer Drink Coca Cola Because It Can Remove Toilet Stains.

I No Longer Can Buy Gasoline Without Taking A Man Along To Watch The Car So A Serial Killer Won't Crawl In My Back Seat When I'm Pumping Gas.

I No Longer Drink Pepsi Or Dr. Pepper Since The People Who Make These Products Are Atheists Who Refuse To Put "Under God" On Their Cans.

I No Longer Use Saran Wrap In The Microwave Because It Causes Cancer.

And Thanks For Letting Me Know I Can't Boil A Cup of Water In The Microwave Anymore Because It Will Blow Up In My Face..Disfiguring Me For Life.

I No Longer Check The Coin Return On Pay Phones Because I Could Be Pricked With A Needle Infected With AIDS.

I No Longer Go To Shopping Malls Because Someone Will Drug Me With a Perfume Sample And Rob Me.

I No Longer Receive Packages From UPS Or Fedex Since They Are Actually Al Qaeda In Disguise.

I No Longer Shop At Target Since They Are French And Don't Support Our American Troops Or The Salvation Army.

I No Longer Answer the Phone Because Someone Will Ask Me To Dial A Number For Which I Will Get A Phone Bill Totaling $2,374.76 With Calls To Jamaica , Uganda , Singapore , And Uzbekistan.

I No Longer Have Any Sneakers -- But That Will Change Once I Receive My Free Replacement Pair From Nike.

I No Longer Buy Expensive Cookies From Neiman Marcus Since I Now Have Their Recipe.

And Thanks To Your Great Advice, I Can't Ever Pick Up $5.00 Dropped In The Parking Lot Because It Probably Was Placed There By A Sex Molester Waiting Underneath My Car To Grab My Leg.

Oh, And Don't Forget This One Either!
I Can No Longer Drive My Car Because I Can't Buy Gas From Certain Gas Companies!

Thanks To You, I Can't Use Anyone's Toilet But Mine Because A Big Brown African Spider Is Lurking Under The Seat To Cause Me Instant Death When It Bites My Ass.

And Remember, If You Don't Send This E-mail To At Least 144,000 People In The Next 7 Minutes, A Large Dove With Diarrhea Will Land On Your Head At 5:00 PM This Afternoon And The Fleas From 12 Camels Will Infest Your Back, Causing You To Grow A Hairy Hump.

I Know This Will Occur Because It Actually Happened To A Friend Of My Next Door Neighbor's Ex-Mother-In-law's Second Husband's Cousin's Beautician ...

Have A Wonderful Day....

One Last Bit Of Noteworthy News:

A South American Scientist From Argentina , After A Lengthy Study, Has Discovered That People With Insufficient Brain And Sexual Activity Read Their E-mail With Their Hand On The Mouse.

Don't Bother Taking It Off Now, It's Too Late
 
The microwave one is actually true. Snopes It usually happens when the cup is still in the microwave though, and I'm sure you should worry more about spillage than explosions.
 
If there is a higher proportion of hoax email forwarders on AOL, it is likely due to AOL's marketing to the less-than-technically-savvy. Before it went belly-up, WebTV was the main offender. Before that it was universities in September.

I generally give three hints. The first occurrence gets a list of links to articles debunking the hoax. The second gets the google search I used to find the list of articles debunking the hoax. The third gets the second hint forwarded to everyone he sent it to as well. I rarely have to go past three.

In a few cases the first hint is sufficient. The best result was from an otherwise critical thinker who slipped up, but in his defense, it was the Mars email that was not really a hoax, just three years late. Most times the person stops sending me any email whatsoever. But in 99% of those, the hoaxes and joke-of-the-day emails were all I was getting from them anyway, so no real loss.

The one I will never forget, though, was the business contact who put me on his joke-of-the-day list (his entire address book). Because he was a client I just ignored them. During a phone conversation one day he asked me how I liked the jokes he was sending me. I said, "Honestly, and only because you asked, I'd prefer not to get them. I get so much email that I don't really have time for them and I've seen them all anyway." "Oh." he replied, obviously dissapointed that I didn't think he was a comedic genius for being able to find the forward button. Months later I get the "we sent you jokes because we were thinking about you" excuse letter. No you weren't. You forwarded it to everyone in your list. I'll bet you don't even remember who half the people are that you sent it to. There is nothing personal about it. Just like this form letter excuse that you didn't write and forwarded to everybody who told you to stop sending them jokes.
 
The microwave one is actually true. Snopes It usually happens when the cup is still in the microwave though, and I'm sure you should worry more about spillage than explosions.

Mythbusters did this one as well. It can happen but not often enough to warrant never boiling water in a microwave.
 

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