AOC offended Team Mitch gets gropey

Segnosaur said:
Even if you chalk up their actions to just "teenagers doing stupid things", those teenagers could apologize. (After all, its been several days; they must have had at least a few more rational people to talk some sense into them.)

And even if you absolve the teenagers due to their age, you have the question: Why isn't Moscow Mitch more straight forward with his condemnations? Why the 'whataboutism'?

The issue with AOC was not just the disrespect. (If it were just the teenagers giving a thumbs-down it probably wouldn't be an issue.) It was the imagery that suggested violence (the mock strangulation). People here may disrespect republicans (I regularly call Trump "Stubby McBonespurs" and Mitch McConnell "The Turtle" and "Moscow Mitch"), but I have never called for violence against said people, and I'm not aware of anyone here who has.
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To be fair, the kid that posted the picture has apologized for it being insensitive. None of the other kids have mentioned anything:

Subsequently, the individual who initially posted the photo issued an apology on Instagram that shows a piece of white paper with the message “I was wrong…I’m sorry” and a caption apologizing to Ocasio-Cortez, McConnell and others for the group’s “insensitive actions.”
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The typical, "Sorry we got caught" apology.
 
Ziggurat said:
What level of outrage are we supposed to have about men mistreating cardboard cutouts of women? Do we ignore it? Do we say we disapprove and then move on? Do we demand some sort of action from politicians? Do we try to get them fired from their jobs? What's the standard you would like to see here?
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I give up. How outraged should we be at the POTUS cheering about shooting immigrants?
 
Ziggurat said:
Don't bother bringing in Trump. There's a much better comparison.
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Ok, **** them too.

So now what?

ETA: Are you unaware that I have the ability to deride the actions of any ******* democrat I want? I am not so partisan that I feel the need to defend every action performed by people on the left. It's actually super easy.
 
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Where do high schoolers get a life sized cutout of someone? I see life size cutouts of AOC advertised on eBay and Amazon but they're forty and fifty bucks.
 
plague311 said:
I've explained several times that I am, obviously, different than most others. I swear all of the time, both typing and talking. In fact, I believe you and I had this exact conversation when this happened last time.
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Well, **** me!

You sure?
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Actually, no. Maybe you're always angry? :)

Yup, that was my point. I've never personally done it that I remember. I don't get the point of it.
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The point is to voice my opinion that this isn't a big deal.

You're absolutely right, but if something isn't newsworthy or interesting to me I just don't engage. Simple as that.
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Well you do you, and I do me.
 
Segnosaur said:
Even if you chalk up their actions to just "teenagers doing stupid things", those teenagers could apologize.
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For what? Dicking around with a cardboard cutout of someone they probably don't like?

And even if you absolve the teenagers due to their age, you have the question: Why isn't Moscow Mitch more straight forward with his condemnations? Why the 'whataboutism'?
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Because he's more reptile than man, I guess.

It was the imagery that suggested violence (the mock strangulation).
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Suggested. Like video games, I don't ascribe much meaning to fictional violence.

Skeptic Ginger said:
You seriously don't see the problem?
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I'm sure you thought your post was going to convey something important, but I think you hit submit before typing the rest of it.
 
Ziggurat said:
Don't bother bringing in Trump. There's a much better comparison.
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Yup, some Obama staffers had pictures taken treating a Hillary Clinton photo in a less than flattering situation. (No strangulation of the photo however...)

Of course, one of those involved in the photo issued a quick apology, and there was no attempt to claim 'the other side did bad things too'. Compare that to the situation with the AOC cutout (which DOES involve strangulation, in case you need to be reminded), where the rebuke from McConnell's side was filled with whataboutisms. And someone did say that an apology was given, but not from the students in the picture but just from the one posting the picture.

So yeah, not exactly a perfect comparison is it.
 
It seems a bit hypocritical that Republican politicians can blame "culture" in the form of video games, music, and television when extremely bad things like spree murders happen, yet insist that the actual admitted, documented behavior of their supporters doesn't signify anything and is meaningless and consequence-free. If I shoot an NPC in a video game I'm participating in a culture of violence. If I strangle a cardboard cutout of an actual politician it's meaningless.
 
newyorkguy said:
Where do high schoolers get a life sized cutout of someone? I see life size cutouts of AOC advertised on eBay and Amazon but they're forty and fifty bucks.
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The Snopes article gives more details.

It was at some sort of Church-organized event in Kentucky. They had cutouts there of multiple political figures (of various political leanings). They just had their photo taken with one of the cutouts provided at the event.
 
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Belz... said:
Even if you chalk up their actions to just "teenagers doing stupid things", those teenagers could apologize.
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For what? Dicking around with a cardboard cutout of someone they probably don't like?
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The U.S. is in a very precarious position right now... you have a president who uses extremely divisive rhetoric, and incidences of violence are commonplace. Terrorist attacks by those with alt-right motivations are increasing. (And some of those attacks seem to be motivated by the rhetoric.)

I doubt very much whether any of the people in the photo would actually harm AOC if they encountered her in real life, but they should recognize that when things are that problematic in the U.S., engaging in such behavior is problematic.

And even if you absolve the teenagers due to their age, you have the question: Why isn't Moscow Mitch more straight forward with his condemnations? Why the 'whataboutism'?
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Because he's more reptile than man, I guess.
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Are you conceding that the way the Turtle handled the issue was wrong?
Skeptic Ginger... said:
You seriously don't see the problem?
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I'm sure you thought your post was going to convey something important, but I think you hit submit before typing the rest of it.
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In the era of the MeToo movement, there is a tendency for some to recognize that not only does society have to address actual real acts of sexual harrasement/violence, but some of the attitudes that led to women being treated poorly in the first place.

If someone disrespects a cutout (treating it in a sexual manor), it may be reasonable to think they may have a general disrespect for the gender.

Granted, these were republicans, so we're pretty sure they're racist and sexist anyways.
 
Segnosaur said:
Yup, some Obama staffers had pictures taken treating a Hillary Clinton photo in a less than flattering situation. (No strangulation of the photo however...)

Of course, one of those involved in the photo issued a quick apology, and there was no attempt to claim 'the other side did bad things too'. Compare that to the situation with the AOC cutout (which DOES involve strangulation, in case you need to be reminded), where the rebuke from McConnell's side was filled with whataboutisms. And someone did say that an apology was given, but not from the students in the picture but just from the one posting the picture.

So yeah, not exactly a perfect comparison is it.
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Nothing is a "perfect comparison" unless they are identical, in which case comparison is basically superfluous.
 
Ziggurat said:
What level of outrage are we supposed to have about men mistreating cardboard cutouts of women? Do we ignore it? Do we say we disapprove and then move on? Do we demand some sort of action from politicians? Do we try to get them fired from their jobs? What's the standard you would like to see here?
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I don't know. What level of outrage would you consider appropriate if somebody 'mistreated' an effigy of Donald Trump?
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ETA: Segnoaur beat me to it!
 
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