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Anyone following the Casey Anthony trial

Here's a shot of Casey after today's testimony. She really looks emaciated and super pale...If I were her lawyer, I would have made her eat a couple ham sammiches, and spray on some of that tan stuff.

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You can GIS for pics of her before...she really has gone down hill.
 
I see what you're saying, but it seems that the jury would at least LIKE to see some evidence of drowning (autopsy report), and how will that explain the evidence of duct tape on Caylee's face (I'm sure the defense has an alternate explanation for it). The deck was already stacked against Casey with all the media reports, and I never try to draw comclusions before I hear all sides, but this is not helping me believe her side much at all.


There's been a lot of that going around.

Of course I'm not in that courtroom to witness everything that transpires, and we'll only get snippets in the news, So it will be hard to place myself on the jury (It's still hard to believe that the people sitting on the jury haven't already reached their verdict either).
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ETA: here's a live courtroom link from the Miami Herald. It's nice because there are no annoying commentators (i.e. Nancy Grace) to interrupt the testimony.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/25/2234088/live-stream-casey-anthony-trial.html



Also WFTV, who has been covering the case since it first broke. I think they have done the most thorough job, and their web pages on the case not only include live streaming coverage of the trial (if you've got that kind of time) without interruptions, but also has stored raw video of all of the other courtroom action, and a repository of the thousands of pages of evidence which have been released by both the prosecution and the defense. Plus lots of other goodies.


I'm really kind of surprised how small this courtroom is. I mean, I have been in much better courtrooms when only charged with a misdemeanor. If I were facing the death penalty, I would hope they could find a more appropriate venue on which to hang my head.

Not sure where they hide Casey, but she doesn't get much face time.


The same WFTV link has a separate streaming webcam focused on Casey alone. You can get all of the face time you can handle.

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Tickets must cost a fortune.
Looks can be deceiving. Spectators are limited to fifty people. First come, first serve. Folks are lining up from 5:00am and earlier, from what I understand.
 
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Can anyone here who has criticized the Anthony defense come up with a better one? Let's face it, what is known about the facts and circumstances are extraordinarily damning in this case. And doesn't leave them a lot of wriggle room.

I'm speculating that the defense has attempted to cop some sort of manslaughter plea. And were rebuffed by the prosecution.


Umm ... no.

Casey was first arrested on various charges relating to her daughter's disappearance on July 16, '08. She was offered a limited immunity deal until Sept. 2, '08, which she declined.

She wasn't indicted for Murder 1 until Oct. 14, '08.

Her daughter's remains were discovered in Dec., '08. It wasn't until April, '09 that the State decided to seek the DP.

I am not aware of any efforts on the part of Casey's defense to seek out any sort of plea deal, much less that one was rebuffed by the State.

If my guess happens to be correct, and the defense had no choice but to do the best with what they've got, what alternative story can you suggest for the defense to have presented at trial that would have been of benefit to the defendant?

Other than plead guilty and beg for mercy (which she wouldn't get, anyway) what else could they have done?


As her own lead attorney pointed out in his opening statement, drowning in the family pool is a fairly common cause of child death in Florida. The prisons there are not overflowing with parents who have been convicted for it. She could have copped to that and to panicking afterward over two and a half years ago. If she had gotten any time at all she still would probably have been out by now.

Of course, after the child's remains were found ... with the duct-taped mouth ... things did become a bit more dicey. That's how it got upped to capital murder.

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Her attorney, Jose Baez, has been playing this as his own personal soap opera since he first became involved in the case, only days after Casey was originally arrested. He's wanted to have a national spotlight on Jose Baez. Casey and Caylee have been incidental to that. Most of the national media have been abetting him, regardless of what view of her guilt or innocence they may have been hustling.
 
To be honest, I didn't really mean it that way. It was more of a flippant remark. I have no position one way or the other on either's actual guilt, other than to say I trust the U.S. legal system more than Italy's, and that may be a result of familiarity.

Don't worry, I take you at your word without reservation. In fact, I made a flippant remark or two about Knox myself before looking into the case against her and the boyfriend in a bit of detail and concluding it likely was complete bollocks.
 
..I am not aware of any efforts on the part of Casey's defense to seek out any sort of plea deal, much less that one was rebuffed by the State...

Oh, you're not? Well I guess that means it couldn't possibly have happened then. Can't imagine they would ever have conducted any discussions without keeping a key insider such as yourself fully apprised.



...She could have copped to that and to panicking afterward over two and a half years ago. If she had gotten any time at all she still would probably have been out by now...

I don't believe you. But stand to be corrected. If what you say is true, I'm sure the crack quadra-leaks team has managed to uncover some corroborating evidence, no? So show us the proof.

Until you do, by your criticisms of the defense you're merely chasing your own tail and reinforcing my original point.
 
What'd this person do? Summersault? Handstand?
Went out partying in a bar and participated in a "Hot Body" contest right after her daughter went missing. Oh, and changed her story a hundred times about what happened.
 
Went out partying in a bar and participated in a "Hot Body" contest right after her daughter went missing. Oh, and changed her story a hundred times about what happened.

Did her lawyers at some point ask "Really? This is the story you want to go with"?
 
The only knowledge I had of this case began with the defense's opening statement. I thought it sounded plausible but kinda fishy. As I find out more, it's like "oh, yeah. Guilty as hell."
 
Is there a different cause of death known? If not, then the prosecution needs to show that drowning is an unreasonable explanation (that's doable, but that's the prosecution's job; if they don't provide evidence that it did not occur by drowning, then drowning is a reasonable explanation for death)


No, there is no cause of death that they can prove. So, anything that the prosecution or defense puts forth, is speculation at best.

They cannot prove how she died, so most likely, she will not get the death penalty because in Florida, the death penalty is usually reserved for brutal crimes (beating with a bat, etc). Since the SAO cannot prove cause of death, she won't get the DP. Most likely anyway.
 
That's like asking what a vulture has to do with a rotting zebra corpse.

Great analogy!:D I've said before that her features remind me of a bird of prey. (Sorry Scrut).

As to the statement about the death penalty not being applicable in this case because neither side can prove how Caylee died, I disagree.

The defense made a big mistake trying to put everything on her father, and to villify him in such a vile way. The father, George, is being shown to be a sympathic witness for the jury thanks to the defense's tactics. He appears to be a broken man who loved his grand-daughter, is telling the truth, and is being thrown under the bus by his evil, pathological-lying daughter. And now, he is being badgered by her attorney's.

I believe, that by the time deliberations come, the jury will see her to be a lying monster, not worthy of sympathy that would prevent her from the death penalty.
 
I believe, that by the time deliberations come, the jury will see her to be a lying monster, not worthy of sympathy that would prevent her from the death penalty.

Well you can't sentence someone to death just because they're a nasty, vile, soulless person. You have to have proof that they committed a nasty, vile, soulless murder.

Since the SAO cannot prove cause of death, she won't get the DP. Most likely anyway.

I would have just seconded this statement to respond to wasapi, but as a fellow Floridian, I find your avatar to be nasty, vile, and soulless. :p
 
Well you can't sentence someone to death just because they're a nasty, vile, soulless person. You have to have proof that they committed a nasty, vile, soulless murder.

Absolutely. Look at some of the other famous death penalty cases. Mark Dean Schwab,(raped a child over a long period of time, then choked him to death, ) Aileen Wuornos,( murdered a bunch of "Johns" and would usually rob them, then shoot them) and John Evander Couey (Kidnapped, raped, then buries Jessica Lunsford alive in a garbage bag) and ALL of them were sentenced to death.


I would have just seconded this statement to respond to wasapi, but as a fellow Floridian, I find your avatar to be nasty, vile, and soulless. :p

Hey, bite me. :D I am originally from Boston.
 
..I am not aware of any efforts on the part of Casey's defense to seek out any sort of plea deal, much less that one was rebuffed by the State...

Oh, you're not? Well I guess that means it couldn't possibly have happened then. Can't imagine they would ever have conducted any discussions without keeping a key insider such as yourself fully apprised.


My, my. Testy, aren't we?

Of course, it could have happened. Anthony's defense team has steadfastly denied that it ever did every time they have been asked, as has the prosecution, but we don't have any reason to believe any of them, do we?

This case has been rather unique regarding the incredible flood of information about it, thanks in no small part to Florida's "Sunshine Law" as well as the media feeding frenzy which has surrounded it since it first surfaced. I don't know of any other murder case which has had a comparable amount of information made available prior to the trial.

Not just the thousands of pages of discovery documents that have been released, either. Casey's parents quit visiting her because the videos of their visits to see Casey were on TV almost before they got home from the jail. If you were interested you could get an update on her commissary purchases every night just by tuning in to the Grace Creature's show. (Something I made a point of avoiding.)

Her lead attorney, Jose Baez, has taken every opportunity he has been able to to get his face in front of a camera. If he had made an effort to come to some sort of agreement with the state and been turned down it isn't very likely he would have kept mum about it, even if no one else spilled the beans. Of course, that would have meant the end of the show for him, and his client's best interests aren't going to take precedence over that.

I spent about a year and a half following the case with great interest, and devoted waayyy too much time to studying it in detail, until even the document dumps were becoming repetitive. For the last year or so I've just been keeping up with the highlights. I haven't run across any hints of any attempts at a plea deal by the defense. Plenty of discussion about why they should have, but nothing about them actually trying.

Before Caylee's remains were found the state made an attempt to work something out with Anthony's defense team, but was rebuffed by them. Even after the grand jury handed down the murder indictment the state was still faced with proving that a murder took place without having a body to show for it. The evidence for that literally hung by one hair. (One with a "death band".)

The release of that tidbit was in early October of '08, three months before the remains were found. That would have been the window of opportunity for a plea deal. After a skull with three pieces of duct tape (and a heart sticker) which would have covered the child's nose and mouth was discovered there wouldn't have been much interest in a plea deal anyway. The state had a slam dunk.

I think the state might have made a misstep upping the ante to the DP, but that's always attractive to the prosecution when they think they have a good chance for it. In this case the jury can find for a lesser charge, so the state isn't betting all their marbles.

...She could have copped to that and to panicking afterward over two and a half years ago. If she had gotten any time at all she still would probably have been out by now...

I don't believe you. But stand to be corrected. If what you say is true, I'm sure the crack quadra-leaks team has managed to uncover some corroborating evidence, no? So show us the proof.


You want me to prove to you that something probably didn't happen? You understand the fundamental problem with that, I hope.

Maybe it would be better if you offered more than just your belief that it did.

Until you do, by your criticisms of the defense you're merely chasing your own tail and reinforcing my original point.


I have plenty of criticisms of Anthony's defense team. This would be among the least of them.

I've wondered for a long time now if Baez wasn't planning on 'inadequate counsel' as a final fallback position for Anthony's appeals. He's certainly been laying enough groundwork for it.
 

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