Anybody care to defend Steve King?

[theprestige]

It's disturbing that you have the inclination to defend an overt racist.

You're misreading a contrarian inclination to oppose whatever hyperbolic thing I'm being told to do or believe.

You telling me that he's an overt racist is enough to make me think he's probably not that bad. But it's not enough to make me think I should bother researching him or defending him to you.

 

[Dr. Keith]

You're misreading a contrarian inclination to oppose whatever hyperbolic thing I'm being told to do or believe.

You telling me that he's an overt racist is enough to make me think he's probably not that bad. But it's not enough to make me think I should bother researching him or defending him to you.

You'd probably enjoy the research, though. The Holy War stuff would be right up your alley as a vet.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

His name sounds a lot like Stephen King.

That's all I got.

 

[theprestige]

But not exactly surprising.

Just type COngressman Steve King Racist Remarks in a search engine and you will get all the proof you need,if you are serious.
But King's long history of racist remarks has gotten so much coverage that I can't believe you follow politics and and are not aware of them.
Sad to see you descend to the point of playing a silly game, though.

And there it is.

ETA:

You'd probably enjoy the research, though. The Holy War stuff would be right up your alley as a vet.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

You telling me that he's an overt racist is enough to make me think he's probably not that bad. But it's not enough to make me think I should bother researching him or defending him to you.

My thoughts exactly.

And I'm not about to go looking for "racist quotes" when the OP hasn't bothered to even take the time. This thread is recreational outrage at its finest.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Just type COngressman Steve King Racist Remarks in a search engine and you will get all the proof you need,if you are serious.

I typed in that exact phrase and found a few articles about claims he was racist, but no obvious, quick quotes. So, do your own homework if you want to string together an argument.

Contrarily, I found these on my first hit when typing "Joe Biden Racist remarks" into Google:

You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking!

I mean you’ve got the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and nice-looking guy.

 

[bruto]

But not exactly surprising.

Actually, unfortunately, it is a little. The Prestige has in the past, despite his very conservative views, and what some might well consider to be an overly lenient attitude toward objectionable behavior, condemned outright bigotry, as for example when he slammed Logger for one of his more outrageous comments. My impression has been that he's not a bigot himself, and one might have hoped for better.

I think a lot of the problem we're in right now comes down to that partisan viewpoint that whatever the opposition says must mean the opposite, and it's led to some people getting away with things that ultimately will hurt the cause of those who let the do it just for some idea of partisan solidarity.

 

[Mumbles]

The thread seems to be furthering my theory that quite a few (usually white) people simply do not know what racism is, beyond perhaps MLK getting bitten by dogs and blasted with fire hoses.

I think the deceased in this story would be a lot easier to defend then King:

http://www.startribune.com/dead-brothel-owner-wins-election-for-nevada-legislative-seat/499940401/

I think that's obvious. Again, I really don't see a problem with sex work in and of itself, while endorsing neo-nazis for governments is just asking for aggressive violence.

 

[baron]

The thread seems to be furthering my theory that quite a few (usually white) people simply do not know what racism is

It's probably due to their pale, defective DNA.

 

[johnny karate]

You're misreading a contrarian inclination to oppose whatever hyperbolic thing I'm being told to do or believe.

No one told you to do or believe anything.

You telling me that he's an overt racist is enough to make me think he's probably not that bad. But it's not enough to make me think I should bother researching him or defending him to you.

That flies right past contrarian and off the cliff into irrational and petulant.

 

[theprestige]

Actually, unfortunately, it is a little. The Prestige has in the past, despite his very conservative views, and what some might well consider to be an overly lenient attitude toward objectionable behavior, condemned outright bigotry, as for example when he slammed Logger for one of his more outrageous comments. My impression has been that he's not a bigot himself, and one might have hoped for better.

I think a lot of the problem we're in right now comes down to that partisan viewpoint that whatever the opposition says must mean the opposite, and it's led to some people getting away with things that ultimately will hurt the cause of those who let the do it just for some idea of partisan solidarity.

Let's be clear: I'm not inclined to defend racism anywhere, any time. I have no idea if Steve King is as bad as dudalb says, if there's anything there that's defensible defend, if there's even anything there that needs defending.

I am, however, inclined to dismiss partisan hyperbole, and to dismiss claims from people whose body of work tends towards partisan hyperbole.

 

[The Shrike]

His fake tan seems to have been applied pretty evenly? That's something, right?

 

[Mumbles]

It's probably due to their pale, defective DNA.

More likely because they get a picture of slavery, then one of Jim Crow, then MLK saying something about being judged by the content of one's character, and that's the contrast.

Much like they were entirely unable to recognize the clear racism of birtherism, of Zimmerman's chasing after Martin, of the parade of white people calling the cops on black people doing perfectly ordinary things like sitting in a Starbucks, or of Dolt45's campaign announcement speech, they see no issue with King sliding his toe up to the edge of the whole White Genocide theory.

I'm sure a lot of people who voted for King would swear that he's not racist at all. He's obviously a white supremacist, though.

 

[Strawberry]

This guy dabbles in European politics too, eg tweeting support for the likes of Victor Orban and Geert Wilders. He turned up at some rally in London not so long ago in support of far right thug Tommy Robinson.

I think he's a stupid *******. JMO.

 

[johnny karate]

Let's be clear: I'm not inclined to defend racism anywhere, any time. I have no idea if Steve King is as bad as dudalb says, if there's anything there that's defensible defend, if there's even anything there that needs defending.

I am, however, inclined to dismiss partisan hyperbole, and to dismiss claims from people whose body of work tends towards partisan hyperbole.

You carry on as if you were forced to participate in this thread. You weren’t.

In other news, it’s good to see you’ve finally developed a distaste for partisan hyperbole.

 

[pgwenthold]

I think that's obvious. Again, I really don't see a problem with sex work in and of itself

Personally, me either.

However, it is hard to comprehend how the "party of family values" can defend it.

 

[tyr_13]

Let's be clear: I'm not inclined to defend racism anywhere, any time. I have no idea if Steve King is as bad as dudalb says, if there's anything there that's defensible defend, if there's even anything there that needs defending.

I am, however, inclined to dismiss partisan hyperbole, and to dismiss claims from people whose body of work tends towards partisan hyperbole.

If you didn't know if there was anything defensible or not, why make a comment that indicates the reason you're not going defend King is that it would be an internet slap fest?

The entire 'I'm not going to discuss this with you, but let me discuss discussing this with you' right from the second post is just weird.

This article links to many other articles about what King has said and done.

Some highlights: Retweeted white supremacists tweets expressing white supremacists ideas (not like not knowing it was a white supremacist because the tweet was about cat pictures or something), more than once.

Supported a white supremacist candidate for Toranto's mayor.

On a trip organized by a Holocaust memorial group to teach about Jewish and Holocaust history, he met with and was supportive of literal, honest to goodness neo-Nazis.

At that meeting he opined that diversity wasn't worth the cost, even factoring in Mexican food and Chinese food (not even joking). He also made the point that the ******* Neo-Nazis wouldn't be considered 'far-right' in the US like they are in Europe, and would fit right in with the Republican party.

You know, the very claim you've decried before when it's coming from progressives, or liberals, or Democrats, or former Republicans, or independents. So I doubt you do want to defend him. He really is awful in exactly the ways the OP asserts and ways you're not a fan of either.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

Not the writer, but the Iowa GOP congressman who embraces white nationalist politics and has made many openly racist statements?
Give me a excuse why the GOP should tolerate a man like that,and even reward him with some co chair positions. I know every party has it's kooks, but King is of a particular disgusting variety. Embrace him, you embrace bigotry.

Because what you call racism and white nationalism is literally someone in the current year attempting to represent the will of the founders, ALL previous generations of Americans and the interests of the actual intended citizenry of this nation.

The only alternative to being pro-white and white nationalist is to be:

1.) Anti-white
2.) Anti-American (literally, the country was founded as a white nationalist nation)
3.) Pro-invasion and pro-invaders
4.) In favor of whites losing political power and thus being at the mercy of groups which are actively being encouraged to hate our guts.

Ultimately, if people like you get your way, whites will be slaughtered at some point in the process (edit: and prior to that point, there will be a lot of ever-increasing legally enshrined moves to discriminate against whites, take property and wealth from them, etc.). It is NOT a good idea for any group to lose control over their space(s.) It does not tend to work out well for them.

Embrace him, you embrace bigotry.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

I don't mind (though I don't agree with )his being a conservative on fiscal and other issues....it's his bigotry I cannot stand.

Well you and people with your mindset have conveniently defined "white people who don't actively hate their race and especially whites who make any attempt whatsoever to slow their dispossession or stick up for their group" as "bigots" and their worldview as "bigotry" and totally beyond the pale, morally reprehensible, etc.

So I guess when you've mind-boggled yourself to that point where you automatically see completely normal behavior as pure evil, you will find yourself frequently confused and angry.

 

[phiwum]

You mean have an Internet slapfight with you? Nah, I'll pass.

No. He's asking if you defend this man.

I'd like to know. Do you think that this is a good man to be in Congress?

I promise I won't even argue against you. Just express your opinion.