Any Updates on Mark Basile's Study?

Criteria said:
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On the 4th of January, 2012, Chris Mohr posted an email quote from his correspondence with Dr. Millette:



It certainly appears that Chris Mohr interpreted Dr. Millette’s words as a promise of more than a “lab report”.
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Thanks for documenting that
a) funds were solicited and many sent in before Chris relayed Millette's intention to publish a paper
b) this is explictly not included in what Millette is being contracted and payed for out of the donations, but a goodie on top
c) Chris hoped that there will be a reviewed paper in the end

So I was right: Ziggi lied about Chris "promising" a reviewed paper. He never did such a thing, nor did I, and certainly neither of us did in connection with soliciting funds.

Thanks again for your effort, Criteria! You Truthers can always be dependet on to debunk yourselves :)
 
Criteria said:
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On the 4th of January, 2012, Chris Mohr posted an email quote from his correspondence with Dr. Millette:



It certainly appears that Chris Mohr interpreted Dr. Millette’s words as a promise of more than a “lab report”.
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The attempt to pin a "he did it too", even if true, on Millette, would not change the fact that Basile has not produced as promised. It does not address my questions above concerning ziggi's claim that no one knew it would take 3+ years.
Nor does it not address the title of this thread.
 
Criteria said:
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On the 4th of January, 2012, Chris Mohr posted an email quote from his correspondence with Dr. Millette:



It certainly appears that Chris Mohr interpreted Dr. Millette’s words as a promise of more than a “lab report”.
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The "lab report", the paper, debunks the liars in 9/11 truth. Jones made up thermite with no evidence, and he was fired for spreading lies. Gullible followers of 9/11 truth take it on faith, and ignore the fact Jones paper lied about thermite. Reading comprehension is required, and exposes the conclusion for thermite in the Jones vanity journal paper of woo is not supported by the evidence and statements found in the paper.

Have someone read the paper for you, so you can see the conclusion has no foundation except in the failed paranoid conspiracy mind of Jones, fired for going nuts on 9/11. Where is Jones now? Jones best work is about Christ walking in the New World; better work than his thermite fraud.
 
Oystein said:
Ziggi, two weeks ago:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.de/2017/01/mark-basile-redgray-chip-study-continues.html

"On December 27, 2016, I had a short phone conversation with Mr. Mark Basile. He continues to work on his red/gray chip study in his spare time and he will contact us as soon as he is ready to write up some results - which he hopes to do in a few months time. We apologize for the delays and thank our supporters for their patience. The results will be worth the wait. Finally, we would like to remind readers that new WTC dust samples are welcome in case anyone knows about a possible supply."​

This documents three facts:

  1. Mark Basile is not actually working on the samples at all. A competent analyst would not need more than a few weeks.
  2. Mark Basile no longer intends to send any samples to any independent lab. For why else would HE be working on them?
  3. The samples that he has contain red-gray chips (he has shown examples years ago), but he know or at least suspects already that not a single one is actually "thermitic".
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Ziggi edited this blog post and added the following:
"Clarification: An independent lab will double-check results, and the donated money goes to independent tests as advertised. Mr. Basile will contact us when the independent testing has concluded."​

Ok, I am glad they are still at least talking about labs.
Doesn't help their questionable legal position much. Mark promised, when donation were solicited, that he would let independent labs do all the tests, and that he would report whatever the labs found. That the lab test would be "blind tests", i.e. the labs would not get a hint of what results to get.

Now the deal is changed to that he will only report what he finds, and the labs will be told what to find.

This is akin to saying "I test and test and test until I happen on a set of data that can be construed as confirming my bias, and then hire a lab to confirm my bias".

Ziggi essentially announced Basile's intention to commit scientific fraud.
 
Has Rich Shaddock had anything to say on the study lately? At one time he was trying to get the money back from Mark and do his own study (as per the original promise).
 
DGM said:
Has Rich Shaddock had anything to say on the study lately? At one time he was trying to get the money back from Mark and do his own study (as per the original promise).
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I haven't seen or heard anything from Rick since ... well, at least since his hero Trump won the election :D
I didn't look or ask specifically, though ;)
 
I just looked over the "Proposal for Labs to Study the Building Fire Dust" located on the http://www.markbasile.org/ site and saw this, which I found interesting...

Analytical Costs:

The following work is in need of funding to be run at independent facilities.

- DSC costs are $190 per scan and an estimated 5 to20 scans are desired, to look at the following materials in both air and inert atmospheres;

2 samples each of known building primer paint

2 samples each of red chips of suspected primer from building dust
5 sample each of red/gray chips or red layer only from red/gray chips

-ESCA costs are $330 per hour and a total of 4 to 8 hours is desired. This should allow for evaluation of at least two known thermitic red/gray chips with some sputtering for depth profile information as well.
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The hilited portion is the part Mark is having an issue with and why it's taking him so long. He's identifying the two kinds of primer paint used in the buildings contained within the dust and cannot find any of the suspected thermite red/gray chips as there are none. They're all turning out to be primer paint.
 
DGM said:
The months click by and still no progress.......... :rolleyes:
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I wouldn't be surprised if he actually does find a paint at world trade center that can be ignited in an inert atmosphere, because I found a paint that was there that contained aluminum.
Red Aluminum metal flake paint, Some of it has a base similar to Laclade.

It was commonly used on motor cycles, cars and fire engines.

So potential for it's existence in the buildings is there though it would be very rare.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
I wouldn't be surprised if he actually does find a paint at world trade center that can be ignited in an inert atmosphere, because I found a paint that was there that contained aluminum.
Red Aluminum metal flake paint, Some of it has a base similar to Laclade.

It was commonly used on motor cycles, cars and fire engines.

So potential for it's existence in the buildings is there though it would be very rare.
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Fire trucks were damaged and destroyed during the collapse, as of course were cars.
 
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The sun will burn out in a few billion years and I hope that he will have completed his study by then.
 
Wow how time flies. Another month goes by and still no progress reported.

Seven and a half years ago when Mark requested quotes on costs for tests seems like yesterday.............
:rolleyes:
 
Criteria said:
4. Mark Basile "continues to work on his red/gray chip study in his spare time and he will contact us as soon as he is ready to write up some results - which he hopes to do in a few months time".
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jaydeehess said:
Really?

24th November 2015, 05:42 PM


That "update" from Ziggi, was over a year ago.

Shall we check back again in another year, or just check in every second year?
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pgimeno said:
Well, "a few months" is a subjective concept. For some people, "more than 60 months" may still be "a few".
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DGM said:
Wow how time flies. Another month goes by and still no progress reported.

Seven and a half years ago when Mark requested quotes on costs for tests seems like yesterday.............
:rolleyes:
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Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

-Steven Wright
 
Oystein said:
Oystein said:
Ziggi, two weeks ago:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.de/2017/01/mark-basile-redgray-chip-study-continues.html

"On December 27, 2016, I had a short phone conversation with Mr. Mark Basile. He continues to work on his red/gray chip study in his spare time and he will contact us as soon as he is ready to write up some results - which he hopes to do in a few months time. We apologize for the delays and thank our supporters for their patience. The results will be worth the wait. Finally, we would like to remind readers that new WTC dust samples are welcome in case anyone knows about a possible supply."​

This documents three facts:

  1. Mark Basile is not actually working on the samples at all. A competent analyst would not need more than a few weeks.
  2. Mark Basile no longer intends to send any samples to any independent lab. For why else would HE be working on them?
  3. The samples that he has contain red-gray chips (he has shown examples years ago), but he know or at least suspects already that not a single one is actually "thermitic".
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Ziggi edited this blog post and added the following:
"Clarification: An independent lab will double-check results, and the donated money goes to independent tests as advertised. Mr. Basile will contact us when the independent testing has concluded."​
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Correction:
Ziggi made that clarification in a separate blog post on January 22, 2017 - two days after I made the first of the quoted posts above:
http://911debunkers.blogspot.de/2017/01/clarification-mark-basile-redgray-chip.html
 
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