Any Updates on Mark Basile's Study?

There is always the possibility he got the test results back years ago telling him the red/grey chips were paint and he has chosen to not tell anyone..
 
cjnewson88 said:
There is always the possibility he got the test results back years ago telling him the red/grey chips were paint and he has chosen to not tell anyone..
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Possibility? They changed to whole scope and methods after that date. No real secret why they abandoned this study.
 
DGM said:
Possibility? They changed to whole scope and methods after that date. No real secret why they abandoned this study.
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I think the problem lies here, within his proposal:

Analytical Costs:

The following work is in need of funding to be run at independent facilities.

- DSC costs are $190 per scan and an estimated 5 to 20 scans are desired, to look at the following materials in both air and inert atmospheres;

2 samples each of known WTC primer paint
2 samples each of red chips of suspected primer from WTC dust
5 sample each of red/gray chips or red layer only from red/gray chips
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Mark cannot differentiate between "known primer paint"/"red chips of suspected primer from dust" and "red/gray chips or red layer" suspected of being thermite.
 
Hidden among tons of "I love you, Dear Leader Trump! Kill Obama!" and "JFK still dead!" drivel on the former "Debunking the Debunkers" blog, this was posted 4 days ago:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.de/2017/10/mark-basile-update-coming-soon.html

external blog said:
Friday, October 27, 2017
Mark Basile Update Coming Soon
Posted by Zugam
Last August I reported the following news:

Mark Basile is still working on his red/gray chip study, and we are expecting an update about 6 weeks from now, in September 2017.​

This update has obviously been delayed a few weeks, but having received a new message from Mr. Basile today, I now expect this update by the end of November.
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This is ridiculous. The early-August note allowed for 6 weeks, ending mid-September. This deadline was broken by another 6 weeks before Mark Basile graced poor Ziggi with a reply - and asks for another (almost) 6 weeks!

Which means Basile hasn't done even one day's work in the last 3 months! Or else he sould be closer to finishing the update (just a *********** update for FSM's sake!!)

Then again, they don't say which November.
 
Oystein said:
Hidden among tons of "I love you, Dear Leader Trump! Kill Obama!" and "JFK still dead!" drivel on the former "Debunking the Debunkers" blog, this was posted 4 days ago:

http://911debunkers.blogspot.de/2017/10/mark-basile-update-coming-soon.html



This is ridiculous. The early-August note allowed for 6 weeks, ending mid-September. This deadline was broken by another 6 weeks before Mark Basile graced poor Ziggi with a reply - and asks for another (almost) 6 weeks!

Which means Basile hasn't done even one day's work in the last 3 months! Or else he sould be closer to finishing the update (just a *********** update for FSM's sake!!)

Then again, they don't say which November.
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Just LOL. For how many years do these clowns expect people to take seriously mysterious and inexplicable "delays" that keep occurring just before the deadlines they themselves set? If they aren't hucksters, the best that can be said for them is that they are among the least competent project managers of all time.
 
benthamitemetric said:
Just LOL. For how many years do these clowns expect people to take seriously mysterious and inexplicable "delays" that keep occurring just before the deadlines they themselves set?
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Wrong. As long after the deadline as was originally allowed for: Ziggi and Basile asked for 6 weeks, when those were over, they waited another 6 weeks before granting themselves another 6 weeks.

Prediction: In mid-January, Ziggi will state matter of fact that this current 6-week deadline has been "delayed" and announce the update will come by end of March. Then, in mid-April, a deadline of late-May will be announced.

And all this for a measly update! Mark could write up a useful update in 5 minutes:
  • How much money has been asked back by donors?
  • How much has been payed back to donors?
  • How much has been spent on labs?
  • How much money is still there?
  • Are any lab results in yet?
  • Did you find evidence for nanothermite yet (Yes/No)?
  • Did you find paint chips yet (Yes/No)?

Ok, make that 10 minutes to account for due diligence and double-checking.

Alternatively, he could write up the following entirely true statement, which is really all that matters:
"After all these years, I have been unable to find any nano-thermite, sorry."​
Takes less than a minute.


benthamitemetric said:
If they aren't hucksters, the best that can be said for them is that they are among the least competent project managers of all time.
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Seems to be a general TM problem: Gage has often been criticized for micromanagement, running too tight a ship and demotivating his volunteers.
Recently, I have have had limited contact with the "911TAP" team: In December 2016, they announced very specific and optimistic targets (good!) for their "TAP Petition Project" and pledged to write Quarterly Project Reports (good!), and they actually did write those Quarterly Project Reports (excellent!) - but these reports contain no mention whatsoever of any of their specific goals - let alone a discussion of why they are on course to catastrophically failing these targets!

I already explained to them that the most important, if not the ONLY purpose of a scheduled project report is to monitor whether or not the targets are still in focus on time and on budget. An alien concept apparently: For this lead to Bill Jacoby inviting me, with my evidently stellar project management skills, to their team :D! I politely declined.
 
Oystein said:
Which means Basile hasn't done even one day's work in the last 3 months! Or else he sould be closer to finishing the update (just a *********** update for FSM's sake!!)

Then again, they don't say which November.
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There is also the possibility that Ziggi is just lying about getting updates from Mark. ;)
 
pgimeno said:
Doesn't anyone else have this feeling about these promises? https://www.zazzle.co.nz/keeping_an_idiot_busy_t_shirt-235029174903737235
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Oystein said:
http://911debunkers.blogspot.de/2017/10/mark-basile-update-coming-soon.html

external blog said:
Friday, October 27, 2017
Mark Basile Update Coming Soon
Posted by Zugam
Last August I reported the following news:

Mark Basile is still working on his red/gray chip study, and we are expecting an update about 6 weeks from now, in September 2017.​

This update has obviously been delayed a few weeks, but having received a new message from Mr. Basile today, I now expect this update by the end of November.
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I've reached one point of the shirt that gets me to a sentence that looks somewhat familiar, like I had seen it before... I'm still trying to figure out how it all ends.

Did I say shirt? I meant blog.
 
Oystein said:
I already explained to them that the most important, if not the ONLY purpose of a scheduled project report is to monitor whether or not the targets are still in focus on time and on budget. An alien concept apparently: For this lead to Bill Jacoby inviting me, with my evidently stellar project management skills, to their team :D! I politely declined.
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Sweet irony! :sdl:
 
jaydeehess said:
Geez this thread began in 2014!
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No. Fundraiser started late 2012. Mark has been at it of course since 2008 at least. He presented some data in 2010. Data which further disproved the idea that it was a thermite reaction.
 
If Mark had in early 2014 invested the $5000 in a low fee index fund that tracks the S&P 500, he'd have over $7000 with which he could actually do the study today. If I were a donor, I'd be asking for more back than just amount I donated as these fraudsters have deprived the donors of nearly four years of investment growth.
 
Interest rates should be applied. What would be common? Rate for consumer credits? Is there a rate for tax dues?

But I have been asking around quietly and it seems no one asked for money back, although patience is running very thin.
 
Oystein said:
Interest rates should be applied. What would be common? Rate for consumer credits? Is there a rate for tax dues?

But I have been asking around quietly and it seems no one asked for money back, although patience is running very thin.
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Given that the donors were seemingly defrauded in this case, a US court could probably simply award them some measure of damages on top of the return of their donation. The amounts involved here are really too small to ever be part of a real litigation, so the amount of damages would likely wind up being determined in the equitable discretion of a small claims court in the event any donor actually pursued a claim (i.e., there is really no way to know where it'd come out). The growth of the amount of money in a low fee index fund would be a good proxy for actual damages, but wouldn't tell you what a court would do with respect to punitive damages.
 
benthamitemetric said:
If Mark had in early 2014 invested the $5000 in a low fee index fund that tracks the S&P 500, he'd have over $7000 with which he could actually do the study today. If I were a donor, I'd be asking for more back than just amount I donated as these fraudsters have deprived the donors of nearly four years of investment growth.
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Since there hasn't been any accounting of the money, only Basile knows how much was actually raised. For all anyone knows, it may have beeen $10,000 or $50,000. And since Truthers don't want to admit they were scammed, there probably never will be an accounting.
 
benthamitemetric said:
Given that the donors were seemingly defrauded in this case, a US court could probably simply award them some measure of damages on top of the return of their donation. The amounts involved here are really too small to ever be part of a real litigation, so the amount of damages would likely wind up being determined in the equitable discretion of a small claims court in the event any donor actually pursued a claim (i.e., there is really no way to know where it'd come out). The growth of the amount of money in a low fee index fund would be a good proxy for actual damages, but wouldn't tell you what a court would do with respect to punitive damages.
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IANAL, but it seems to me that unless Basile & Co. set up a non-profit to do the testing and donors paid into the non-profit, a court would simply rule that donations were gifts to Basile and no contract was involved. And if Basile paid taxes on the donations, nobody will care.
 
Redwood said:
IANAL, but it seems to me that unless Basile & Co. set up a non-profit to do the testing and donors paid into the non-profit, a court would simply rule that donations were gifts to Basile and no contract was involved. And if Basile paid taxes on the donations, nobody will care.
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They did use Rick Shaddock's network of fake charities to solicit and collect the money. But it really doesn't matter whether they used charities or not for the purposes of determining whether they were committed donor fraud. It's actually worse for them that they didn't use actual charitable entities (Rick Shaddock's various entities are not actually chartered charities in any jurisdiction--they are completely fake). Instead of having the pierce the veil of the charitable organization to implicate them directly in the fraud and hold them personally liable, a court would just look directly to them. Again, however, these amounts are so small that no donor is likely to actually care and it would never go any where but a small claims court, anyhow. The IRS might care about Shaddock's network of fake charities, but that's a whole different issue.
 
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