Any proof of this?

[SBrown]

I was told that S Jones has come out publicly and said he tested some WTC steel and found traces of thermite. Anyone know if this is true? I cannot find any link, and the guy that told me this just sent me some podcast that I tried to listen to for a few minuets but had to shut off.

So what is the scoop? And how did this guy steal the steel?

 

[Abbyas]

Let's not think about the sources of the steel and just assume that it actually did come straight from the WTC

Thermite is also used in welding.

The clean up process used oodles of welding.

 

[Hellbound]

Let's not think about the sources of the steel and just assume that it actually did come straight from the WTC

Thermite is also used in welding.

The clean up process used oodles of welding.

To be fair, thermite is rarely used in welding, and they most likely relied on the cheaper, easier to set up cutting torches.

However, I'd need to see some sort of actual documentation on this steel, myself...a talk show on podcast ain't reliable evidence. Imagine if this was allowed at murder trials!

I'd like to at least have a reasonable explanation as to how he got the steel. Also, how he was sure it was from the WTC buildings and not from other damaged buildings (or something completely non-WTC related, like fell off a truck the day before). Also, what, exactly, does he mean when he says "traces of thermite"? The only traces I could think of (besides physical evidence of extremely high temperatures, in the 3000-4000 degree F range), would be aluminum oxide residue (which is the end result of the thermite process). In fact, if there is no aluminum oxide residue (in addition to whatever he claims to have found), he's wrong. The two major components of thermite are aluminum powder and iron oxide (rust), and basically the iron gives up its oxygen to the aluminum. Remains of both of these materials would be more abundant than any other trace elements that may be present.

Edited for spelling and clarity.

 

[Abbyas]

Very interesting Huntsman.

What did your research tell you, jenabell?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Very interesting Huntsman.

What did your research tell you, jenabell?

I don't think SBrown is jenabell. jenabell is much more crude, crass, rude, and insulting.

 

[Aepervius]

Actualy no

To be fair, thermite is rarely used in welding, and they most likely relied on the cheaper, easier to set up cutting torches.

Now we might usually use other welding process, but in the past what you call "thermite" was one main welding stuff used for railroad. Might be still in use today.

PS: I just looked in google and it is apparently still in use because economically efficient, and joined/welded rail reduce noise of passing train.

 

[Hellbound]

Just going to agree with Arkan...let's not jump to conclusions...the same thing we accuse the CTers of doing.

Lets also not brand anyone asking questions or disagreeing as a Loose Changer (without evidence), or we again become guilty of the same things we stand against.

 

[Hellbound]

Now we might usually use other welding process, but in the past what you call "thermite" was one main welding stuff used for railroad. Might be still in use today.

PS: I just looked in google and it is apparently still in use because economically efficient, and joined/welded rail reduce noise of passing train.

Yes, but it wouldn't be used for cutting, such as the WTC cleanup. Some specialized formulations are used for joining, but even then it's rare (in overall welding), although it may be more common in some particular applications (such as railroads).

 

[geni]

Traces of thermite? Generaly I would be suprised if you didn't find some aluminium.

 

[Hellbound]

Traces of thermite? Generaly I would be suprised if you didn't find some aluminium.

Well, the thermite would leave aluminum oxide (instead of just aluminum), but even this could have been produced by the temperatures of the fires in the buildings acting on aluminum and air.

Finding it in larger amounts on or around the central core steel beams, as opposed to the outer facade, might be meaningful.

 

[geni]

Well, the thermite would leave aluminum oxide (instead of just aluminum), but even this could have been produced by the temperatures of the fires in the buildings acting on aluminum and air.

Aluminium oxide is harldy uncommon in nature. Soil contians a fair bit of it to start with.

 

[Abbyas]

Lets also not brand anyone asking questions or disagreeing as a Loose Changer (without evidence), or we again become guilty of the same things we stand against.

Excellent point. I retract that earlier, unnecessarily snarky comment.

Whoever you are, your ideas are welcome.

 

[Hellbound]

Excellent point. I retract that earlier, unnecessarily snarky comment.

Whoever you are, your ideas are welcome.

No worries, I'm sure. We all need reminding now and again (myself especially).

 

[SBrown]

I don't think SBrown is jenabell. jenabell is much more crude, crass, rude, and insulting.

Is that suppose to be some insult I am not understanding? The more I post here the more I get confused with some of you.

I am not finding any links to this claim. Has anyone found any links? I would of think they would put it on Jones's site, but I do not see it.

 

[Hellbound]

Aluminium oxide ius harly uncommon in nature. Soild contians a fair bit of it to start with.

Yeah, which is why I suggested you'd need something to tie it specifically to the core columns, rather than anywhere else. IN other words, even aluminum oxide on the core columns wouldn't be conclusive, unless it was in a higher concentration than on other parts of rubble from the tower (such as the aluminum facade).

The other side of my poiont is, that if the aluminum oxide concentrations are low on the steel beams, then any other trace elements would not be thermite-related. You aren't going to have evidence of thermite without aluminum oxide.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Is that suppose to be some insult I am not understanding? The more I post here the more I get confused with some of you.

I am not finding any links to this claim. Has anyone found any links? I would of think they would put it on Jones's site, but I do not see it.

No, no hidden insult. Just providing character qualities I've observed in jenabell's posts, that I have not observed in your posts.

 

[oglommi]

I was told that S Jones has come out publicly and said he tested some WTC steel and found traces of thermite. Anyone know if this is true? I cannot find any link, and the guy that told me this just sent me some podcast that I tried to listen to for a few minuets but had to shut off.

So what is the scoop? And how did this guy steal the steel?

Thrace of thermite? That would be iron. See thermite is a mix of aluminium and rust, when ignited the aluinium feed of the oxygen in the rust and burns away, whats left is molten iron. Im sure there were molten iron at ground zero due to the clean up and use of plasma cutters and other cutting tools.

 

[Pardalis]

I don't think SBrown is jenabell. jenabell is much more crude, crass, rude, and insulting.

Seems a few posters (such as myself) are nervously expecting Jenabell to show up here.

 

[Hellbound]

Thrace of thermite? That would be pure iron. See thermite is a mix of aluminium and rust, when ignited the aluinium feed of the oxygen in the rust and burns away, whats left is molten iron. Im sure there were molten iron at ground zero due to the clean up and use of plasma cutters and other cutting tools.

Well, to be fair, not all thermite mixtures rely on iron. You can make it with aluminum, sulfer, and potassium nitrate (although this is a less effective mixture).

In any case, until we know what the evidence is, we don't really ahve anything to speculate about. And so far, I've found nothing on this particular claim.

The only thing I could think of they maight be referencing is the statements about "eutectic mixtures" (sp? think I'm way off). That is, there were areas of steel where sufer and other compunds had melted into the steel. This, however, was not found by any of S Jones work, but was in the official reports.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Seems a few posters (such as myself) are nervously expecting Jenabell to show up here.

I am as well, but I also know it will be a short lived residency. There is no way jenabell could control himself enough to stay within our posting guidelines (especially rule 8).