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Any follow-up on Steven Jones' thermite retreat?

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IMO, perhaps the least-known, yet most important, truther story of 2009 would be that of Steven Jones backing away from his stupid thermite theory.

It was a theory he had advocated since 2005 - the WTC was destroyed by thermite...no, I mean thermate....actually make that nano-thermite.

So convincing was his evidence that he had it "peer-reviewed" in his own journal. Oh and also in a vanity journal for $800.

Now we're all familiar with why he invented this nonsense in the first place: a 9/11 explosives demolition was missing a series of deafening explosions. And so along came Steven Jones to save the day with his silent thermite demolition.

For obvious reasons he never presented a way in which thermite could actually be used to demolish a building, but that didn't bother his fans one bit: it was a supposedly silent demolition technology that sounded vaguely scientific.

That is if Steven Jones still backs the theory himself.

Here's Frank Greening back in April, recalling an e-mail exchange with Jones.

Greening said:
I see little value in pondering all the ways one could make exotic magnetic bi-layered materials containing Fe, Al and Si. I'm sure there are many laboratory-scale methods that could be found in the literature to make all sorts of fancy coatings.

However, I believe it's more useful to consider how such materials could have been used to destroy the Twin Towers. And here's where I have problems, .... BIG problems.

I've already done a calculation, (see my post from a few days ago), of how much heat energy a layer of nano-thermite (such as the one allegedly found by Jones et al) could generate. And, by the way, you have not commented on this calculation as you said you would. Nevertheless, my conclusion was that Jones' chips would do no more than slightly warm a WTC column!

So when I bounced my calculations and conclusions off Jones et al, all he could come up with was the suggestion that there were probably other explosives used in the WTC and the nanothermite chips were maybe just fuses!

Thus, after all the fuss about high-tech nano-thermites, we are back to good-old "bombs in the buildings" as the answer to how the buildings were destroyed.
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I can't even begin to guess what the point of a thermite FUSE would be.

Has there been any follow-up on this hilariously stupid retreat from thermite demolitions?

I'm not aware of Jones presenting this new suggestion to his band of hopelessly gullible followers.

Truthers would perhaps be distressed to learn that all the problems they thought they'd side-stepped with thermite are back along with a whole host of others.

Such as: if you're going to use explosives anyway then why bother with thermite???
 
The bottom line on thermite/thermate/nano-thermate never shifted from the first day it was suggested.

There was no way that any of them could have contributed to the collapses which occurred by the mechanisms which actually happened on 9/11.

So the whole exercise was a futile pursuit in any of the three versions.

Notice how no truther has ever attempted to explain which members were cut by whatever material causing or adding to the initial collapse OR (sequenced nicely) to the floor by floor pancaking of the "global collapse".

Then the"painted on" nano thermate nonsense. For a hundredths of an inch thick film to emit enough heat to soften inch plus thicknesses of steel...beyond consideration by anyone with a modicum of sanity.

Why even bother rebutting whether or not it was found on site?

There could have been tons of thermate stored in the buildings but it would not have caused or contributed to the collapse mechanism which actually happened.

Too often we forget that ultimate test. "Could it be part of the collapse mechanism which actually happened?" It defeats the Chandlers and the Szambotis when they put up theories which do not fit the actual collapse mechanism.
 
bardamu said:
These people have suggested a simplified model:

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911..._op=view_page&PAGE_id=16&MMN_position=177:177
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And it is complete ******** that shows a lack of basic understanding of how BOMBS work.

Any bomb capable of cutting the steel beams, or even the weak joints would be over 140 DB and easily heard by EVERYONE within 500 meters of the explosives.

Please provide a single video which has demolitions charges going off... it should be easy.

Any Cd charges going off which could cut the steel beams would be CLEARLY visible on the seisomgraphs.. but they aren't.


Oh wait...

just more arguments from incredulity and ignorance. You really should try to rectifiy it. Complete and utter ********. Go back to school twoof.
 
Yes Jones, when backed into a corner by someone with knowledge in the area, backed away from the "thermite brought the towers down" theory, and went with the only thing he could (outside of dropping the thermite altogether).

I am guessing that since that exchange, like all the other snake oil salesmen, he has continued to propagate the lie that he himself could not defend.

TAM:)
 
One truther came up with the brilliant theory that the fire proofing created an impenetrable barrier that focused the sprayed on Super thermite into a laser beam of heat sufficient to destroy structural beams!

he never got around to explaining how the sprayed on fire proofing managed to maintain such remarkable structural integrity, when it was sprayed on and adhering to the super thermite in the first place.

Srsly. He don't post much any more.
 
The whole thermite/nano-thermite is just plain idiotic & stupid. What Truther came up with that dumb idea should have soap in their mouth for telling a lie. I'm pretty sure that when they were kids their mothers wouldn't put up with their lies.
 
9/11 Chewy Defense said:
The whole thermite/nano-thermite is just plain idiotic & stupid. What Truther came up with that dumb idea should have soap in their mouth for telling a lie. I'm pretty sure that when they were kids their mothers wouldn't put up with their lies.
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It was steven jones, "renowned" physicist (for such things as cold fusion, jesus came to north america, etc...).

TAM:)
 
bardamu said:
These people have suggested a simplified model:

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911..._op=view_page&PAGE_id=16&MMN_position=177:177
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....that is one which I had not seen before - thanks for the link.
Remember that my comment in this thread was about the three stages of Jones and thermXte.
ozeco41 said:
The bottom line on thermite/thermate/nano-thermate never shifted from the first day it was suggested.

There was no way that any of them could have contributed to the collapses which occurred by the mechanisms which actually happened on 9/11.

So the whole exercise was a futile pursuit in any of the three versions.....
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However my final comment was:
ozeco41 said:
Too often we forget that ultimate test. "Could it be part of the collapse mechanism which actually happened?" It defeats the Chandlers and the Szambotis when they put up theories which do not fit the actual collapse mechanism.
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...the "multiple bombs attack on the core" model fails on two grounds:
1) It would fail my "ultimate test" because it would not result in the collapse mechanism which actually occurred on 9/11; AND
2) Every man and his dog would hear it as other members have already pointed out.
 
ozeco41 said:
...the "multiple bombs attack on the core" model fails on two grounds:
1) It would fail my "ultimate test" because it would not result in the collapse mechanism which actually occurred on 9/11; AND
2) Every man and his dog would hear it as other members have already pointed out.
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You left out :
3) It would have prevented the formation of the spires in both towers.
 
One interesting observation about this thread.

Where are all the resident "truthers" with all the follow-ups and new research?:o
 
orphia nay said:
Well Christophera is currently saying that thermite was used on the exterior columns, and C4 was used on the interior (concrete :oldroll:) core.

http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82947

But is C4 silent?
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WOW:

"The supposed 47 steel core columns did not exist and are never seen on 9-11 in the core area. The Twin Towers had a steel reinforced cast concrete tubular core and ALL images from 9-11 ONLY support that fact. "

WOW

:eye-poppi


HAHAHHAA
 
Damn. I thought this thread was about some kind of spa where Jones can go to peacefully contemplate incendiary devices in an atmosphere of relaxation and calm.

A thermite retreat, if you will.
 
Edx said:
WOW:

"The supposed 47 steel core columns did not exist and are never seen on 9-11 in the core area. The Twin Towers had a steel reinforced cast concrete tubular core and ALL images from 9-11 ONLY support that fact. "

WOW

:eye-poppi


HAHAHHAA
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Poor Chris he seems to be having a bad time since he left here:

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Wildy wrote:
So how have you been anyway Christophera? Last I heard you managed to get yourself banned from the Myspace forums.


Oh yea, they won't even let me log into my other account since I've been putting down Rupert Murdoch. I'll have to use snail mail to delete the account. I was banned from an Aussie 9-11 forum for insisting on evidence and reason and another in New Zealand. It appears Murdoch is taking on the truth from the southern hemisphere as well as myspace."

I think his "realistice" thread still holds the record for the longest here.
 
twinstead said:
Damn. I thought this thread was about some kind of spa where Jones can go to peacefully contemplate incendiary devices in an atmosphere of relaxation and calm.

A thermite retreat, if you will.
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They meant termite retreat. Think Raid.
 
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