Antitruthers: a crippled epistemology?

[Quiproquo]

One argument antitruthers constantly level on truthers is that, according to them, truthers begin their arguments with a premise (a conclusion) and only gather evidence that supports that conclusion, filtering out anything that does not.

Let's take a look to see if supporters of the OCT (Official Conspiracy Theory) gather all evidence in order to come to a conclusion, as they claim they do.

In their 2006 book on the "Inside Story" about the 9/11 commission, Kean and Hamilton claim:

We were not setting out to advocate one theory of interpretation of 9/11 versus another. Our purpose was to fulfill our statutory mandate, gathering and presenting all of the available and relevant information¹

Really?

In that same book, however, Kean and Hamilton argue that, having accepted Philip Zelikow's view that the commission should proceed with their investigation by means of "a staff organized around subjects of inquiry,"² they "assigned the subject of 'Al-Qaeda' to staff team 1," then told team 1A to "tell the story of Al Qaeda's most successful operation - the 9/11 attacks."³
If that is not beginning your argument with a theory then what is it?

The fact is that the 9/11 commission did exactly that.

In their preface to the 9/11 Commission Report published in 2004, Kean and Hamilton wrote that their mandate was to “investigate facts and circumstances related to the attacks of September 11, 2001.” ⁴ However in their 2006 “Inside Story” book they offer a significantly modified account of the commission's mandate, stating that they had the task of “gathering and presenting all of the available and relevant information within the areas specified by our mandate."⁵
The mandate was described thus:

The law creating the 9/11 Commission allowed for us “to ascertain, evaluate, and report on the evidence developed by all relevant governmental agencies regarding the facts and circumstances surrounding the attacks.⁶

Which thus means they were only “allowed... to... report on the evidence developed by... governmental agencies.”

No governmental agency would have provided information contradicting the OCT.

Far from claiming that it is truthers who are irrational and delusional in their selection of informational sources, it is in reality antitruthers themselves who possess an epistemology as crippled as can possibly be.



1 Thomas H. Kean and Lee H. Hamilton, with Benjamin Rhodes, Without Precedence: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 2006), 269-70.
2 Ibid., 33.
3 Ibid., 116
4 The 9/11 Commission Report: Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States, authorized edition (New York: W. W. Norton, 2004), xv, xvi.
5 Kean and Hamilton, Without Precedence, 269-70 (emphasis added)
6 Ibid., 123.

 

[twinstead]

You are welcome to present a competing theory that accounts for the evidence and observations better. Until then the commonly-held narrative stands, despite your histrionics.

 

[beachnut]

You post the most anti-reality claptrap I have seen. 9 years of failed delusions of thermite and this is all you have.

Move this to your other fail thread with the same failed SPAM.


The truth movement is a bunch of people who can't figure out 911, so they make up idiotic lies. We are not anti-truthers, we are anti-liars and anti-stupidity, the kind you are spewing. Is it possible for you to be more anti-intellectual?

You have zero evidence to support you moronic claims on 911. You have nothing. You are a 911 truther, an anti-truther with a NAZI like name, 911 truth, as you spew lies, a 1984 type name, hiding behind "truth" as you rant and spread idiotic lies.

The crippled science of knowledge, your inability to see 911 truth is spreading lies, and a better name is 911 liars. Why have you joined the 911 Liars Club?

 

[ergo]

You are welcome to present a competing theory that accounts for the evidence and observations better. Until then the commonly-held narrative stands, despite your histrionics.

Not related to the OP topic.

Twinstead spent all of two minutes reading your OP and instantly barfs up this knee-jerk, regurgitated bee-dunkerism. As if that's all he/she can do. I guess it is. Reported.

 

[beachnut]

Not related to the OP topic.

Twinstead spent all of two minutes reading your OP and instantly barfs up this knee-jerk, regurgitated bee-dunkerism. As if that's all he/she can do. I guess it is. Reported.

It take about 6 to 10 seconds to read the poppycock in the OP. The OP is an attack on people calling them anti-truthers. While the truther who authored the BS is in a "movement" which only produces lies. Truthers only product, lies and delusions.

Report yourself truther, for being bad at physics and making false reports, off topic.

Please present some evidence to support 911 truth claims, save them from being lairs. The only thing you have proved since you became a failed bee-dunker, you can't do physics, given the answers.

 

[leftysergeant]

Which thus means they were only “allowed... to... report on the evidence developed by... governmental agencies.”

No governmental agency would have provided information contradicting the OCT.

Far from claiming that it is truthers who are irrational and delusional in their selection of informational sources, it is in reality antitruthers themselves who possess an epistemology as crippled as can possibly be.

Only government agencies had access to any raw evidence. As far as I can see, all that the twoofer movement has offered comes from other sources that are irrelevant or obviously dishonest or are mis-interpretations of what reliable sourcews actually provided.

A lot of it was based on the blather of Pierre-Henri Bunel.

If his name appears anywhere in your chain of custody of the evidence, throw it out or set it aside until it can be traced to someone who is not a dishonorably discharged officer of a foreing army who has a person grudge against America, and who is not known to be a lying sack of crap.

 

[jhunter1163]

<snip> No governmental agency would have provided information contradicting the OCT.. <snip>

Isn't NIST a government agency, and haven't Richard Gage and friends been trying to use NIST's data to poke holes in the so-called OCT for years?

 

[1337m4n]

When the man who is to become your prime suspect makes a video confessing and bragging about his crime, it is safe to consider him your prime suspect.

The 9/11 Commission didn't accuse Al-Qaeda; Al-Qaeda accused itself. So far Truthers have presented zero evidence to contradict Osama's self-accusation.

 

[Oystein]

Twoofers fail to understand the purpose and mandate of the 9/11 Commission. It was not a forensic task force on a criminal investigation. It was not tasked to figure out who the perps were. It was also not an engineering study, etc.
The criminal investigation was done by the FBI, with help from agencies such as the NTSB. The engineering studies were in part done by NIST. Etc.

The Commission was tasked to figure out the response of all relevant government agencies to the planning, build-up and execution of the terrorist plot. It looked at administration. It also looked at the Al Qaida organisation, but not to determine the extent of their culpability, but more with a view to what was known about them. The goal of the Commission Report was to make recommendations on how to improve the repsonse to future threats of this kind. Such recommendations might include changes to organizations, mandates, powers, procedures, communication paths, or training.
Likewise, NIST's goal was not to explain every detail about the building collapses, but to recommend measures to prevent future collapses.

 

[lionking]

Not related to the OP topic.

Reported.

Huh? Twinstead asked for a narrative from quidproquo explaining 9/11. How is that unrelated?

 

[Justin39640]

Twoofers fail to understand the purpose and mandate of the 9/11 Commission. It was not a forensic task force on a criminal investigation. It was not tasked to figure out who the perps were. It was also not an engineering study, etc.
The criminal investigation was done by the FBI, with help from agencies such as the NTSB. The engineering studies were in part done by NIST. Etc.

The Commission was tasked to figure out the response of all relevant government agencies to the planning, build-up and execution of the terrorist plot. It looked at administration. It also looked at the Al Qaida organisation, but not to determine the extent of their culpability, but more with a view to what was known about them. The goal of the Commission Report was to make recommendations on how to improve the repsonse to future threats of this kind. Such recommendations might include changes to organizations, mandates, powers, procedures, communication paths, or training.
Likewise, NIST's goal was not to explain every detail about the building collapses, but to recommend measures to prevent future collapses.

It's pointless. You know their logic filters will never allow them to view your post. Nice try though.

 

[Sam.I.Am]

Awww, sweet jebus...

Of course the investigation has to start somewhere otherwise it can go nowhere. What did you expect? Toss a group of people a bunch on cash and then say go investigate something? What if they decided to investigate whether the Hooters waitresses in New York have bigger boobs than the ones in Florida? Or if those same waitresses have a higher likelyhood of being considered butterfaced before or after a few baskets of wings and a pitcher of beer?

Your complaint is that they were told to investigate how 19 terrorists managed to hijack and crash 4 aircraft. If they hadn't been given those directions I'd be complaining that they were rudderless. I'm willing to bet that of those two possible options that many, many more people would agree with me that if the investigators weren't told what to investigate that they would complain. Who wins?

 

[332nd]

Amazing how government agencies are pretty much hive minds to truthers.

 

[D'rok]

No governmental agency would have provided information contradicting the OCT.

How could they? They were all in on it, right?

 

[D'rok]

Amazing how government agencies are pretty much hive minds to truthers.

I work in government. It's a miracle if my group manages to coordinate our work with the group two cubicles over on the same damn floor.

 

[Mr.D]

Amazing how government agencies are pretty much hive minds to truthers.

I'll respond to you as soon as NWO headquarters tells me what to say.

 

[D'rok]

Twoofers fail to understand the purpose and mandate of the 9/11 Commission. It was not a forensic task force on a criminal investigation. It was not tasked to figure out who the perps were. It was also not an engineering study, etc.
The criminal investigation was done by the FBI, with help from agencies such as the NTSB. The engineering studies were in part done by NIST. Etc.

The Commission was tasked to figure out the response of all relevant government agencies to the planning, build-up and execution of the terrorist plot. It looked at administration. It also looked at the Al Qaida organisation, but not to determine the extent of their culpability, but more with a view to what was known about them. The goal of the Commission Report was to make recommendations on how to improve the repsonse to future threats of this kind. Such recommendations might include changes to organizations, mandates, powers, procedures, communication paths, or training.
Likewise, NIST's goal was not to explain every detail about the building collapses, but to recommend measures to prevent future collapses.

You didn't say "epistimology" or use footnotes.

Shill.

 

[twinstead]

Not related to the OP topic.

Twinstead spent all of two minutes reading your OP and instantly barfs up this knee-jerk, regurgitated bee-dunkerism. As if that's all he/she can do. I guess it is. Reported.

You know what, my response should be the ONLY response to ANY thread created by truthers, no matter what the topic, because frankly I'm sick and tired of you folks right now.

I'm going to turn off my computer so your little cult can disappear and enjoy my weekend. Have a nice day.

ETA: You are welcome to present a competing theory that accounts for the evidence and observations better. Until then the commonly-held narrative stands, despite your histrionics.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

This thread is nothing more than a rant & a hit & run from a lunatic.

 

[The Big Dog]

Lets pick a couple of lines from the opening post and take a look at the sheer errors, omission and gross distortions, shall we?

"The mandate(1) was described (2)thus:

Quote:
The law creating the 9/11 Commission allowed for us “to ascertain, evaluate, and report on the evidence developed by all relevant governmental agencies regarding the facts and circumstances surrounding the attacks.

Which thus means they were only (3.) “allowed... to... report on the evidence developed by... governmental agencies.”"

1. the following quote is not a "mandate" it is a power delegated to the commission. So it is an error, and I'll go with outright fabrication.
2. See 1. Our hero seems to be unaware of the meaning of the word Mandate.
3. Only? ONLY?????? Dear lord, that is a bald face lie of the sort only the most incompetent truther can have come up with.

The Act itself specifically empowers the Commission to access other investigations, and further gives the Commission subpoena power. I have personal knowledge that the Commission obtained evidence from non-governmental agencies (the Chicago Board Options Exchange to name one example, there are hundreds of others, of course) And they reported that evidence.

So the entire Opening post is a complete embarrassing lie cloaked in fancy, albeit, misused words.

Complete and utter fail.