Antisemitism and The Goy

jakesteele said:
I may be incorrect, but I think the OP meant why do Jews get to have a racial slur that covers the world's people but we don't. Jews can call you Goy with impunity, whereas if you call a Jew a Kike, Hebe, etc., you are considered anti-semitic. It's a case of double standards.
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Close. Who has a derogatory name, antisemitic, for people that they can use to accuse anyone of hating themselves, Jewish people?

Close. Who has a derogatory name, goy/goyim, for ALL people who are not Jewish?
 
The repetition of a claim that is demonstrably false does not make it magically true CM.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Close. Who has a derogatory name, antisemitic, for people that they can use to accuse anyone of hating themselves, Jewish people?

Close. Who has a derogatory name, goy/goyim, for ALL people who are not Jewish?
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Unfortunately virtually all ethnic and religious groups have found the need for a name to apply to those who hate them. Many examples have been provided in this thread. it is your warped view of Jews that makes you feel the word anti-Semitic is special, or especially designed to accuse people falsely.

Also unfortunately, virtually all groups have invented derogatory words for those outside their group. Many examples have been provided in this thread. It is your warped view of Jews that makes you feel that goy is somehow special in this regard. There are jerks in every group. But not many, and fewer and fewer with time. I've probably heard the term goy less than once a year among all my Jewish friends and family, typically by people over 70. You've probably used it in this thread more than I've heard it used by Jews in my whole life.

If you did really mean in your last line to ask why non-Jews do not have derogatory words for non-Jews -I'll let you think about it...
 
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jakesteele said:
I may be incorrect, but I think the OP meant why do Jews get to have a racial slur that covers the world's people but we don't. Jews can call you Goy with impunity, whereas if you call a Jew a Kike, Hebe, etc., you are considered anti-semitic. It's a case of double standards.
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What makes you think Jews can use goy with impunity? It's viewed as an ugly, bigoted word, even by most Jews and its use identifies the speaker as a jerk and as ignorant. Same as any bigoted word used by any group. Generally it does appear that minorities are allowed a little more slack by society in use of these types of words than are majorities, like the use of slang expressions for whites by black people, but that certainly has not made the use of these words generally acceptable.

Probably the biggest fallacy here is that goy is a common word among Jews. I'm Jewish and have read the word in this thread more often than I've heard it used in my entire life. If you think Jews are sitting around mocking you for not being Jewish, you are paranoid.

Interesting that you and Clayton seem to consider Jews as different from everyone else, rather than just human beings like everyone else. You may wish to examine why you have that odd view.
 
Giordano said:
Unfortunately virtually all ethnic and religious groups have found the need for a name to apply to those who hate them. Many examples have been provided in this thread. it is your warped view of Jews that makes you feel the word anti-Semitic is special, or especially designed to accuse people falsely.
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Lie number one.

Lie number two.


Name one non Jewish group that has/uses a unique derogatory word devoted to only people who supposedly hate them and only them.

Name one non Jewish group that has a unique derogatory word that refers to ALL people who are not of that group.
 
jakesteele said:
I may be incorrect, but I think the OP meant why do Jews get to have a racial slur that covers the world's people but we don't. Jews can call you Goy with impunity, whereas if you call a Jew a Kike, Hebe, etc., you are considered anti-semitic. It's a case of double standards.
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I believe you are, indeed, incorrect:

Clayton Moore said:
Why are the Jews the only people, that I know of, who have a derogatory word for people who are not Jewish? Goy
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He's not asking why Jews are allowed to use a derogatory word for the outgroup; he's asking why Jews are the only people to have a derogatory word for the outgroup. The correct answer is: they aren't. He just doesn't like that answer because it completely undermines what he thought was a clever argument.
 
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Clayton Moore said:
The attempts to reply coherently to the OP are concurrently pitiful and hateful and hysterically humorous. :p
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It's always amusing to see an unwarranted superiority complex

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amusing/assuming no difference really (whoops)
 
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Clayton Moore said:
Lie number one.

Lie number two.


Name one non Jewish group that has/uses a unique derogatory word devoted to only people who supposedly hate them and only them.

Name one non Jewish group that has a unique derogatory word that refers to ALL people who are not of that group.
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I see dumb people, lies 1 and 2 are not as was proved earlier but I will do it again just for you. Here are ethnic slurs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs_by_ethnicity

here are general slurs

http://www.englishclub.com/ref/Slang/Insulting/index.htm

here are religious ones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_slurs

As well as use of the above terms there is another term you have failed to recognise for non Jewish groups. The suffix phobe covers that, meaning anti, fear of hatred of another group, so Anglophobe, Francophobe etc.

Then there is the use of the prefix anti. Anti-semitism is hatred of Jews. Less used as a term, but still valid is anti-prtestantism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Protestantism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism

which is often lumped together as sectariansim. That is sadly a problem in Scotland where there is hatred with some of those of another religion

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Justice/law/sectarianism-action-1

Sorry I see dumb people, but the evidence shows your op to be false.
 
Nessie said:
I see dumb people, lies 1 and 2 are not as was proved earlier but I will do it again just for you. Here are ethnic slurs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs_by_ethnicity

here are general slurs

http://www.englishclub.com/ref/Slang/Insulting/index.htm

here are religious ones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_slurs

As well as use of the above terms there is another term you have failed to recognise for non Jewish groups. The suffix phobe covers that, meaning anti, fear of hatred of another group, so Anglophobe, Francophobe etc.

Then there is the use of the prefix anti. Anti-semitism is hatred of Jews. Less used as a term, but still valid is anti-prtestantism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Protestantism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism

which is often lumped together as sectariansim. That is sadly a problem in Scotland where there is hatred with some of those of another religion

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Justice/law/sectarianism-action-1

Sorry I see dumb people, but the evidence shows your op to be false.
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Look up the words "all" and "derogatory" and "hate" and try again.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Name one non Jewish group that has a unique derogatory word that refers to ALL people who are not of that group.
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Hawaiians - Haole
Japanese - Gaijin
Gypsies - Gadjo (several variations exist on spelling, and pronunciation varies by region, but they all mean "people who aren't gypsies")
 
Clayton Moore said:
Look up the words "all" and "derogatory" and "hate" and try again.
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Your questions have been answered a number of times and in a number of different ways in this thread and the answers can be summarised that the premise behind your questions are false.

So either you mean something different in the question than what everyone else sees there, in which case the onus is on you to rephrase your question in a clear and comprehensible manner. Or alternatively you accept the answers given that your premise for the questions is wrong and rethink that premise.

The alternative possibility is that you realise that your questions have been proved false and are engaging in the equivalent of going ‘Na na, nee, na na. I can’t hear you!’, but as that is an embarrassing debating tactic for an 8 year old to use, I will assume you’re not actually doing that
 
Clayton Moore said:
Name one non Jewish group that has/uses a unique derogatory word devoted to only people who supposedly hate them and only them.
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This one is somewhat more difficult, because it's a bit difficult to make sense of the question. "antisemitic" is not a Jewish (or Hebrew, or Yiddish) word. It's an English word, used by lots of people, to describe anti-Jewish sentiments. Also, the idea that the word describes people who "hate ... only them" is ludicrous. Most anti-semites hate lots of people, not just Jews. The word antisemitism refers to hatred of Jews, specifically, but an antisemite is certainly free to hate other people, and such morons often take advantage of their freedom.

I've noticed more references to "anti-Jewish" lately, as opposed to the more common, more traditional, "anti-semitic". Presumably, people have noticed that there are other semites in the world, and want to make sure there's no confusion between hatred of Arabs and hatred of Jews.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Name one non Jewish group that has a unique derogatory word that refers to ALL people who are not of that group.
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According to Mrs Don.......

New Jerseyites......Bennies :D


....although in hindsight some of those New Jerseyites could be Jewish.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Look up the words "all" and "derogatory" and "hate" and try again.
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"All", "derogatory" and "hate" are covered by the evidence presented to you. Anti-semitic is not a unique word for a unique situation as you think it is.

As I said anti-protestant, anti-catholic and the more commonly used term sectarianism are exactly the same in terms of hatred, fear and being derogatory as anti-semitism.

The religion, politics and homeland issues are different. One involves Jews and disputed land in the middle east and terrorism and political fighting with groups such as Hamas. The other involves Protestants and disputed land in Ireland and terrorism and political fighting with groups such as the IRA/Sinn Fein There has been great bitterness as both sides of the divide hate each other and perceive that they are being suppressed and everyone is against them.

Come to Scotland and Northern Ireland and sadly you will see examples of that sectarianism. Indeed many Scots and Northern Irish probably do not know about or understand anti-semitism, in the same way you do not know about or understand sectrarianism.

But fact is sectarianism exists and disproves your theory that anti-semitism is unique as you claim.
 
Keep it going, Clayton. This might just be the masterpiece of failure that you seem to have attempted since you joined up.

:D
 
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