Anti-Vaxer's ideal Paradise.

[luchog]

Because measles is a dangerous disease, especially in the very young. And there are often other issues triggered by the disease, all of which require up to date acute medical facilities to treat or support, it's a poor island they simply don't have the medical resources available.

On top of that, the measles virus causes what is known as "immune amnesia", resulting in susceptibility to other dangerous diseases that the victims may have been vaccinated against.

Measles vaccines protect against more than just measles. Here's how. Without vaccination, the highly contagious virus can allow other diseases to flourish in unsuspecting populations for more than two years after an infection.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Worth mention, this is a double whammy, that's one reason the death rate is so high. Like American Indians when Europeans arrived on the continent with diseases, Pacific Islanders are equally naive populations to measles. They have not been naturally selected by generations of exposure. It wasn't just small pox that devastated the Americas, measles also wiped out whole populations.

 

[cullennz]

But then they had the likes of Kennedy over there promoting ant-vax crap.

Agree, but it was kind of a double whammy

 

[cullennz]

As ugly a fact as it is, it is probably worth pointing out we wiped out 22% of Samoa's population by rocking on over there after WW1 to take the place over (NZ) with a pneumonic influenza epidemic.

Not our nations most stunning moment of sunshine.

Mind you it looks like it was us that sent them measles this year as well.

 

[8enotto]

The sailors returning to Europe from the Americas equally brought back gifts of diseases. Port cities were routinely ravaged by them a month after a ship arrived.

Human understanding of the causes was so limited then, thus nobody had a clue what hit them. By the time of the first world war travel had exposed most in cities to most common stuff.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

As ugly a fact as it is, it is probably worth pointing out we wiped out 22% of Samoa's population by rocking on over there after WW1 to take the place over (NZ) with a pneumonic influenza epidemic.

Not our nations most stunning moment of sunshine.

Mind you it looks like it was us that sent them measles this year as well.

pneumonic influenza?? What is that?

If you are talking about the Spanish Influenza pandemic of 1917-1918, it spread around the world. I'm not sure you can blame that on anyone in particular.

I didn't send measles to anyone. Perhaps you should blame the anti-vaxxer bad science promoters.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The sailors returning to Europe from the Americas equally brought back gifts of diseases. Port cities were routinely ravaged by them a month after a ship arrived.

Human understanding of the causes was so limited then, thus nobody had a clue what hit them. By the time of the first world war travel had exposed most in cities to most common stuff.

Other than syphilis, I'm curious which pathogens you were thinking about.

 

[cullennz]

pneumonic influenza?? What is that?

If you are talking about the Spanish Influenza pandemic of 1917-1918, it spread around the world. I'm not sure you can blame that on anyone in particular.

I didn't send measles to anyone. Perhaps you should blame the anti-vaxxer bad science promoters.

Fair point

One of the few occasions I actually get people feeling a bit retro-guilty about it, even though I wasn't born

One of those things and that.

 

[shemp]

But then they had the likes of Kennedy over there promoting ant-vax crap.

Is there an ant vaccine? I could use that next spring.

 

[shemp]

and now an anti-vaxxer has got himself arrested.

Jackass. I hope he catches it.

 

[catsmate]

Settling aside the vaccination issue for a moment, why is the death toll in this outbreak so high? That's incredibly high and not normal for a population of 200k, regardless of vaccination status.

Yes it is. Mortality from measles is around 2 in 1,000 (with excellent supporting care) but aggravating factors (e.g. malnutrition) can bring this to as high as 100 in 1,000. The mortality rate in Samoa is around 14 in 1,000 well inside these ranges and almost exactly the same as the global toll; 140,000 deaths from approximately ten million infections in 2018.

 

[catsmate]

Just for clarity, the is the independent state of Samoa; not adjacent American Samoa.

Which is now experiencing its own measles cases. And has a childhood vaccination rate of >85%. Schools have been closed and gatherings in parks banned.

 

[catsmate]

Only if we build a wall.

And used anti-vaxxers as foundation material?

 

[Darat]

Is there an ant vaccine? I could use that next spring.

Petrol.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

th wrong cure

Link.. "Edwin Tamasese was charged with incitement against a government order after he was detained on Thursday." I am strongly pro-vaxx (as my comments on another thread demonstrate), but I do not support imprisoning people, even kooks like Mr. Tamasese.

 

[catsmate]

Link.. "Edwin Tamasese was charged with incitement against a government order after he was detained on Thursday." I am strongly pro-vaxx (as my comments on another thread demonstrate), but I do not support imprisoning people, even kooks like Mr. Tamasese.

His ******** is getting children killed. Lock him up.

Samoa is bad but measles has killed over five thousand people in the DRC this year. These cretinous conspiracy peddlers must be stopped.

 

[Cainkane1]

So Samoa has been badly hit by a measles epidemic, to the point that the Government has shutdown the country to try and prevent the further spread of the disease. It is being driven because many families are to poor to take their kids to get them vaccinated. This is the paradise that Anti-vaxers want for the rest of us.

So far the death toll is 60, 54 of them being kids under 15!

It is depressing that we still can't make sure that all kids are vaccinated against this disease, and that people in western countries would be risking their kids, and other people's kids to this fate by choice is angering.

I had the measles. In those days it was called the German Measles. I was only seven years old but I recall the fever, the discomfort, the fatigue and the itch. Those spots itch like crazy. I probably would have died if I had not been in a warm comfortable room and drank plenty of fluids.

 

[Giordano]

I had the measles. In those days it was called the German Measles. I was only seven years old but I recall the fever, the discomfort, the fatigue and the itch. Those spots itch like crazy. I probably would have died if I had not been in a warm comfortable room and drank plenty of fluids.

Germain measles is not measles and not related to the virus that causes measles. Germain measles is aka rubella and much less dangerous than true measles.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Germain measles is not measles and not related to the virus that causes measles. Germain measles is aka rubella and much less dangerous than true measles.

Unless you are pregnant, which I doubt that Cainkane1 was.

 

[PhantomWolf]

The death toll is now 70, with 61 of them being 4 and under.

There have been 4,819 measles cases reported since the start of the epidemic

Edwin Tamasese has been denied bail, interestingly his own two kids are actually vaccinated.