Anti-Vaxer's ideal Paradise.

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So Samoa has been badly hit by a measles epidemic, to the point that the Government has shutdown the country to try and prevent the further spread of the disease. It is being driven because many families are to poor to take their kids to get them vaccinated. This is the paradise that Anti-vaxers want for the rest of us.

So far the death toll is 60, 54 of them being kids under 15!

It is depressing that we still can't make sure that all kids are vaccinated against this disease, and that people in western countries would be risking their kids, and other people's kids to this fate by choice is angering.
 
It is still something that makes me angry every time I hear about something like this. Preventable. My precious, 13 yr old who is at special risk by no fault of her own. She is fully vaccinated. However, she has a brain disease she was born with, that cause seizures and other difficult issues.

Unfortunately, we live in a city voted "most liberal in the US", and a haven for anti-vaxxers. The parents are cautious, and her "special school" requires all vaccinations. We can't put her in a bubble, unfortunately.
 
wasapi said:
It is still something that makes me angry every time I hear about something like this. Preventable. My precious, 13 yr old who is at special risk by no fault of her own. She is fully vaccinated. However, she has a brain disease she was born with, that cause seizures and other difficult issues.

Unfortunately, we live in a city voted "most liberal in the US", and a haven for anti-vaxxers. The parents are cautious, and her "special school" requires all vaccinations. We can't put her in a bubble, unfortunately.
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It’s the anti-vaxxers who need to be put in a bubble. An air-tight bubble.
 
Anti Vaxers cross over political and religious lines.
You see them both on the Fundy Christian Right and the New Age Kook Left.
 
dudalb said:
Anti Vaxers cross over political and religious lines.
You see them both on the Fundy Christian Right and the New Age Kook Left.
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In America, many of them are in insular religious or cultural bubbles. Hasidic Jews and emigrants from Russia and Ukraine make up a big proportion of anti-vaccine people. Close proximity means that those groups suffer most from the loss of herd immunity.

Once you get out of those groups, the numbers start to look less worrisome. Still a concern, but less mainstream than often portrayed.
 
Settling aside the vaccination issue for a moment, why is the death toll in this outbreak so high? That's incredibly high and not normal for a population of 200k, regardless of vaccination status.
 
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Doghouse Reilly said:
Settling aside the vaccination issue for a moment, why is the death toll in this outbreak so high? That's incredibly high and not normal for a population of 200k, regardless of vaccination status.
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They are pretty all babies or other kids under 15
 
Thing that has to be remembered is early last year there were two babies that died after being vaccinated in Samoa early last year.

The vaccination program was put on hold for months on end while they figured out what was going on

Turn out a nurse had mixed the vaccine with out of date anaesthetic instead of water (utter negligence basically).

But it left a severe distrust of the reliability of the people doing it, so a lot isn't anti-vax per se. More fear.
 
Doghouse Reilly said:
Settling aside the vaccination issue for a moment, why is the death toll in this outbreak so high? That's incredibly high and not normal for a population of 200k, regardless of vaccination status.
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I think (not sure where I got this information), that polynesians have a much higher death rate from measles than people of European ancestry.
 
deadrose said:
I'm sure the measles virus will be respectful of the border.
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It's not the virus, it's the vaccinations. I expect American Samoa has a higher vaccination rate. I don't know how much travel there is between the two, either. We are talking separate islands, not a land border.

Doghouse Reilly said:
Settling aside the vaccination issue for a moment, why is the death toll in this outbreak so high? That's incredibly high and not normal for a population of 200k, regardless of vaccination status.
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It's a very small country, and not a wealthy one. Per Capita income is $4420. Per Capita in American Samoa is $11,200. American Samoa can also get support from the USA, Samoa is on its own.
 
Trebuchet said:
It's not the virus, it's the vaccinations. I expect American Samoa has a higher vaccination rate. I don't know how much travel there is between the two, either. We are talking separate islands, not a land border.


It's a very small country, and not a wealthy one. Per Capita income is $4420. Per Capita in American Samoa is $11,200. American Samoa can also get support from the USA, Samoa is on its own.
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Um no
 
lionking said:
Um, yes. It’s an independent nation. Like pretty much every pacific island nation, it gets aid, but it makes its own decisions.
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An independent that has a special treaty with us which means support defensively, politically, educationally, medically and financially and our Navy monitors and patrols their maritime territory

Same as Aus, but they don't have the treaty I think

And both us and AUS give them aid money.

We both have teams of medical staff over their helping vaccinate and our Defence Force is ferrying over vaccinations and medical equipment.
 
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cullennz said:
Thing that has to be remembered is early last year there were two babies that died after being vaccinated in Samoa early last year.

The vaccination program was put on hold for months on end while they figured out what was going on

Turn out a nurse had mixed the vaccine with out of date anaesthetic instead of water (utter negligence basically).

But it left a severe distrust of the reliability of the people doing it, so a lot isn't anti-vax per se. More fear.
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But then they had the likes of Kennedy over there promoting ant-vax crap.
 
Doghouse Reilly said:
Settling aside the vaccination issue for a moment, why is the death toll in this outbreak so high? That's incredibly high and not normal for a population of 200k, regardless of vaccination status.
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Because measles is a dangerous disease, especially in the very young. And there are often other issues triggered by the disease, all of which require up to date acute medical facilities to treat or support, it's a poor island they simply don't have the medical resources available.
 
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