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Anti-Muslim Terrorist Attack in... NZ?

Samson said:
No conspiracy, Peter Thiel is a silent partner in Facebook and why be silent?
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That is awesome, but what do Thieil's buying a farm here have to do with a nutter with guns?

Are you putting onus on him or what?
 
Featherstone WW" 'massacre' was a different thing entirely. Enemy combatants were trying to escape from a POW camp and kill the guards.
Japanese POWs remained combatant and fanatical even in captivity.
 
cullennz said:
That is awesome, but what do Thieil's buying a farm here have to do with a nutter with guns?

Are you putting onus on him or what?
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If you read what Brian Gaynor says you will follow that New Zealand is affording Thiele an escape route from what he fears, people like Brenton Tarrant, and then he is silent, and still a citizen, and thus somewhat complicit in Tarrant's crime.
 
Samson said:
If you read what Brian Gaynor says you will follow that New Zealand is affording Thiele an escape route from what he fears, people like Brenton Tarrant, and then he is silent, and still a citizen, and thus somewhat complicit in Tarrant's crime.
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I would agree that Thiele expects the social order to collapse and that he will have a safe haven in NZ. As the article hints, several other people familliar with venture capitalism are organizing their own escapes from what they see as failing Western democracies. What isn't clear in the article is that many of these people are directly responsible for the collapse they envision, such as Jacob Rees-Moggs who is one of the architects of Brexit. In Thiel's case, he's a Trump supporter.

It's easy to see these guys as insiders with secret information, but I think it's easy to forget that these people don't have all the answers. There are other forces at play here, both working towards stabilizing the Western democracies - liberal forces in the EU for example - and to make the whole thing worse - Vladimir Putin.

Peter Thiele doesn't know when or if the world's going to end, and he sure won't avoid facing the consequences for his actions in New Zealand. Mark Zuckerberg most likely realizes that the best course of action is to work with Western liberal democracy, which is why his company is taking action to stop hate on their platform.
 
Samson said:
The most famous gun slaughter in New Zealand is when Robin Bain killed his family then held the gun touching his temple and shot himself, with a 10 round semi auto 22
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uke2se said:
The most famous gun slaughter in New Zealand was the murder of 50 faithful muslims in two Christchurch mosques by a white supremacist.
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The correct word is "infamous", and prior to the ChCh shootings, the most infamous would have been David Gray and the Aramoana Killings.
 
uke2se said:
I would agree that Thiele expects the social order to collapse and that he will have a safe haven in NZ. As the article hints, several other people familliar with venture capitalism are organizing their own escapes from what they see as failing Western democracies. What isn't clear in the article is that many of these people are directly responsible for the collapse they envision, such as Jacob Rees-Moggs who is one of the architects of Brexit. In Thiel's case, he's a Trump supporter.

It's easy to see these guys as insiders with secret information, but I think it's easy to forget that these people don't have all the answers. There are other forces at play here, both working towards stabilizing the Western democracies - liberal forces in the EU for example - and to make the whole thing worse - Vladimir Putin.

Peter Thiele doesn't know when or if the world's going to end, and he sure won't avoid facing the consequences for his actions in New Zealand. Mark Zuckerberg most likely realizes that the best course of action is to work with Western liberal democracy, which is why his company is taking action to stop hate on their platform.
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Meh.

We had rich doomsayers and doomsday peppers coming here and building multi-million dollar fortress/mansions in the late 1990s. They were preparing for when Y2K was going to end the world as we know it.

Nothing happened!
 
Oh boy, the fallout from the massacre is still very strong.

An alleged gunman in West Auckland (hardly unusual) has brought mass police presence and a school lockdown.

Meanwhile, some journalist seems to have mistakenly connected a video game which has been in development for a year with the Chch attack. Jesus Strikes Back is causing a conundrum for the Chief Censor. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12218801

Given the JFK game not being banned after having been available online for well over a decade, I don't see a problem.

The idea that the game imitates the Chch attack seem nonsensical if you look at the actual game, while the JFK game is an exact replica of Oswald shooting at Kennedy's motorcade.

Perhaps we could just turn the dial down a little. We've had one white terrorist attack in the past 120 years.
 
The Atheist said:
Ah, the inclusiveness, the good feelings...

We now know how long they last: until an RSA invites a muslim to say a prayer at an ANZAC service.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12218989
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"Anzac Day came about to recognise all those who went overseas and served their country and returned, and those who never returned. That is the significance and the only justification for Anzac Day, and I feel it should stay that way."
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So no Muslim has ever fought and died in the ANZAC forces?
 
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cullennz said:
Interesting that he is suddenly not representing himself.

Think some of the media have been taking liberties with rumours. and their reporting.
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There was no rumour about representing himself. He fired his lawyer and said he would represent himself.

Then he realised he wasn't going to be able to speak, so has got himself a lawyer. No doubt these guys are being paid by legal aid, and they are not at the cheap end of the scale.

I have a huge problem with that. The whole thing is going to cost the country another couple of mio on top of what it's costing him to be kept in ultra-security.

He should be refused the right to plead not guilty - he filmed himself doing it for Zarquon's sake.
 
The Atheist said:
There was no rumour about representing himself. He fired his lawyer and said he would represent himself.

Then he realised he wasn't going to be able to speak, so has got himself a lawyer. No doubt these guys are being paid by legal aid, and they are not at the cheap end of the scale.

I have a huge problem with that. The whole thing is going to cost the country another couple of mio on top of what it's costing him to be kept in ultra-security.

He should be refused the right to plead not guilty - he filmed himself doing it for Zarquon's sake.
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Do you have solutions that don't involve removing rights? Kinda seems like the go to lately, and it seems not to be helping.

Hell why not just get rid of the right to travel within the country for everyone? Fill out a form for your place of employment and favorite shops give the cops a call before you leave, give the government your routes, fill out other forms for trips.

I'm guessing that because you travel more than you shoot a gun or wind up in court you won't be okay with that infringement.

Am I right?
 
Darat said:
Seems par for the course.

Even if he is diagnosed with a mental illness it doesn't follow that that diminishes his responsibility for what he did.
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That is the very basis of mental health defenses. And what are they for if not major crimes.

It's kind of like saying " they can find him innocent but he better get thrown in jail".
 
sadhatter said:
Do you have solutions that don't involve removing rights? Kinda seems like the go to lately, and it seems not to be helping.
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In a case where a bloke has videotaped and identified himself shooting people I don't see the need for the right to plead not guilty.

sadhatter said:
Hell why not just get rid of the right to ...
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... to make up silly strawmen?

No, I'm cool with that.

sadhatter said:
Am I right?
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Not that I've noticed, no.
 
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