Anti-depressants doing more harm than good, killing the elderly

[mijopaalmc]

I opened this thread predicting that people would make baseless accusations against evolutionary theory and there you have it folks. I mean would you go into a forum and claim something is junk science without offering qualifications as to why?

It's not evolutionary theory that people are criticizing; evolutionary psychology, evolutionary medicine, and evolutionart psychiatry. You would do well not to naively conflate the former one with the latter three.

 

[Joey McGee]

You're promoting "novel science" over well-established science, because it takes a radically different approach to old questions.

Prove your opinion.

You're essentially promulgating pseudoscience becuase it's "shiny.

I am? What is this pseudoscience called?

While I'm not found of some of the anti-science and anti-intellectualism of the various 12-step programs, I would have thought that someone who is so insistent that addictiom recovery and addiction medicine be "science-based" would be more circumspect about the science they themsleves try to promote.

Hank Campell at Science 2.0, he's your new best friend, trust me.

http://www.epjournal.net/blog/2011/12/four-useful-tips-for-our-friends-at-science-2-0/

 

[mijopaalmc]

So when people try and tell you that evolutionary science is just a bunch of atheists trying to make themselves feel better, you'll remember this thread.

No, when someone tries to tell me that major psychiatric disorders are "evolutionary adaptations", I'll remember this thread as an illustration of what crap evolutionary psychiatry is.

 

[Joey McGee]

It's not evolutionary theory that people are criticizing; evolutionary psychology, evolutionary medicine, and evolutionart psychiatry. You would do well not to naively conflate the former one with the latter three.

That's your opinion. If you think this is a fringe position, I''d like to share with you that Dawkins shares virtually all of my positions on this topic, so maybe you should focus your debunking tactics on him since Joey is an ex cult-member.

BOOOORRRINNGGG

 

[Joey McGee]

No, when someone tries to tell me that major psychiatric disorders are "evolutionary adaptations", I'll remember this thread as an illustration of what crap evolutionary psychiatry is.

Well you didn't read it properly. No one is saying that disorders are adaptions. WHAT A *********** JOKE

 

[mijopaalmc]

That's your opinion. If you think this is a fringe position, I''d like to share with you that Dawkins shares virtually all of my positions on this topic, so maybe you should focus your debunking tactics on him since Joey is an ex cult-member.

Maybe you should stop appealing to authority and inform yourself of the debates within evolutionary biology. The fact that Dawkins agrees with you isn't as much of a ringing endorsement as you think it is.

 

[Joey McGee]

The most hollow statement ever. My point was that it's not a fringe position. You think Dawkins is the only one? Come on, who are the critics, where do they post, what are their books called? Getting funnier by the moment. I mean FFS, a jumbo jet just can't assemble itself out a junkyard. Gawd

 

[madurobob]

Ok guys, do some honest research into the creation of truehope and get back to me.

So, no answer as to why anyone's family would have anything to do with this and nothing but pigheaded bluster for many, many posts thereafter. You're really doing very little to make your case here. You are far more like the redheaded kid who expects everyone to pick on him because of his red hair, so he picks fights with everyone in the room before they get a chance.

As someone recently said... BOOOOOOOORING!

Why not just answer an honest question with an honest answer, rather than trying to make enemies of everyone?

 

[calebprime]

So, no answer as to why anyone's family would have anything to do with this and nothing but pigheaded bluster for many, many posts thereafter. You're really doing very little to make your case here. You are far more like the redheaded kid who expects everyone to pick on him because of his red hair, so he picks fights with everyone in the room before they get a chance.

As someone recently said... BOOOOOOOORING!

Why not just answer an honest question with an honest answer, rather than trying to make enemies of everyone?

[Hides behind madurobob] Yeah, why not do that?

 

[Joey McGee]

I feel some resentment at a community that expects me to do detailed research for them when I have tipped them off to how to research the issues involved.

 

[Joey McGee]

I'm also sick of people using me as the basis for whether or not I'm right about what I say instead of the facts.

 

[mijopaalmc]

The most hollow statement ever. My point was that it's not a fringe position. You think Dawkins is the only one? Come on, who are the critics, where do they post, what are their books called? Getting funnier by the moment. I mean FFS, a jumbo jet just can't assemble itself out a junkyard. Gawd

The fact that a prominent scientist supports a specific field of science doesn't mean the field being supported isn't fringe. Linus Pauling supported vitamin C megadosing, and Cary Mullis is an HIV denialist.

If you want to talk about the merits of evolutionary medicine, you should actually present an exmple of a hypothesis it has advanced and that has resisted falsification. Telling me that famous scientists support evolutionary medicine is just an appeal to authority, espicially since your sole citation hasn't publish any primary literature in evolutionary biology in the past decade and isn't a researcher in evolutionary medicine when he does publish original research.

 

[TubbaBlubba]

Joey McGee, you're (or the people you're quoting) really just trying to redefine the operational definition of depression.

I could change the operational definition of intelligence to mean shoe size, but that wouldn't really change the validity of previous intelligence research.

 

[mijopaalmc]

I'm also sick of people using me as the basis for whether or not I'm right about what I say instead of the facts.

Then you might want to try not to be so adversarial, especially in you OP's.

 

[Joey McGee]

So, no answer as to why anyone's family would have anything to do with this

I showed you where to direct your research because you claimed you cared about it. I was wrong I guess.

Why not just answer an honest question with an honest answer, rather than trying to make enemies of everyone?

I've consistently pointed out how anti-EP is holding back the speicies here, many tenured scientists at prestitious universities are saying the exact same goddamned things as me so your attacks on me aren't helping you a smidgen.

Oh yeah I'm so mean to you all expressing my opinions about science, give me a break.

 

[madurobob]

I feel some resentment at a community that expects me to do detailed research for them when I have tipped them off to how to research the issues involved.

So, you say something that appears to be a complete non sequitur. Someone asks you to clarify... and somehow is their fault for asking. That sort of behavior is common of hucksters and woo peddlers, so you can understand the negative reaction to it.

 

[Joey McGee]

Then you might want to try not to be so adversarial, especially in you OP's.

You're admitting that your impressions of personalities are winning out in your mind over the facts presented? I guess that's my fault here, not giving a **** about petty interpretations.

 

[Joey McGee]

Joey McGee, you're (or the people you're quoting) really just trying to redefine the operational definition of depression.

I could change the operational definition of intelligence to mean shoe size, but that wouldn't really change the validity of previous intelligence research.

OK Tubba the new understaning of evolutionary psycholgoy and depression is much bigger than you or me, and I don't pretend to be as intelligent about it as say... David Buss. Not addressing the subject.

 

[Joey McGee]

So, you say something that appears to be a complete non sequitur. Someone asks you to clarify... and somehow is their fault for asking. That sort of behavior is common of hucksters and woo peddlers, so you can understand the negative reaction to it.

I can understand this. But seriously look how this thread started out, it's about people not accepting that depression can have an evolutionary origin that continues in it's expression to this day. People are asking me things that don't make sense to ask unless you're trolling or attacking. That you can't ignore.

 

[mijopaalmc]

You're admitting that your impressions of personalities are winning out in your mind over the facts presented? I guess that's my fault here, not giving a **** about petty interpretations.

No, I'm observing that, when you accuse people who disagree with you of "holding us back as a spiecies", you are going to be challenged, especially when you make such an accusation on a forum frequented by people who pride themselves on being skeptical of claims made by anonymous posters on the internet.